[Plugh]

Hi

I am a frequent browser and new member who firstly would like to say hello and thanks for previous information gleaned.

I am new to automatic movements, I am not sure if i have a problem with my watch or it's just the problem with my knowledge.

I have a Zeno Watch Basel XL Pilot with power reserve (Valjoux 7750 movement), in the instruction booklet it mentions winding the watch before wearing or after the watch has stopped. I have wound the watch with no problem, and until the winder has a little resistance.

The watch works and keeps excellent time, I wished to test how long the reserve would last, which seems fine at 45 hrs. However the manual wind still seems fully wound, should this not be now wound down? The second hand does not tick until the automatic movement has "kicked" in. The power reserve display does not register any manual winding either.

Any advice would be great


Thank you


Plugh

 

[Guest]

In which position is the crown pulled out when you wind up ?

Position one = Date setting, Postition two: Setting ?

 

[Plugh]

Thanks for the quick reply

I wound it when it was fully in.

There are 3 positions

1 (fully in)
2 (adjust date?)
3 (adjust time?)


Plugh

 

[Guest]

If the crown is not screwed in (and it does not seem to be a screwed in crown) winding up indeed is position ZERO, however you will not feel any resistance when winding up a automatic movement, there's a clutch to prevent overwinding - so you can wind it up for hours (theoretically spoken).

 

[hpark21]

Let's see whether I understand you correctly.

After the watch winds down, just winding the crown manually does NOT start the watch no matter how much you wind, but as soon as you shake the watch it starts to move?

OR

Is it that after it completely winds down, the power reserve does not go up while you wind the watch manually at all, but you must start shaking first and THEN wind it manually before the power reserve starts to go up with manual winding?

 

[Plugh]

No it is not screwed in, but definitely resists winding...

Should it start the second hand up? or show on the power reserve indicator when wound?

I will of course try the manufacturers direct, and see what they have to say about it, however there does not seem to be a UK based agent so will have to be via Switzerland.

Thanks once again.

Plugh

 

[Plugh]

hpark21

After the watch winds down, I still cannot wind the watch, it seems fully wound, if I move/shake the watch to auto-wind it, the watch starts and the power indicator starts to rise.

I have wound the watch once (since getting it), and i am 100% sure I did not over wind... I hope I am just missing something obvious.

Thanks


Plugh

 

[hpark21]

hpark21

After the watch winds down, I still cannot wind the watch, it seems fully wound, if I move/shake the watch to auto-wind it, the watch starts and the power indicator starts to rise.

I have wound the watch once (since getting it), and i am 100% sure I did not over wind... I hope I am just missing something obvious.

Thanks

Plugh

With Auto's you can NOT overwind (not that it is good to overwind, since the clutch mechanism will eventually wear out quicker if you keep winding after fully wound).

Now, when you manually wound it and seeing that power reserve did not rise, etc. when you shake it, do you have to CONTINUE shaking the watch for the power reserve to rise? Or did it just started to rise once the watch started to go after your initial shake?

 

[Plugh]

Now that you mention it, the reserve got to 10 hours very quickly.

However I have not wound the watch up other than prior to my first wear, so the watch has already wound completely down (in theory).

It was when I went to wind it (after the watch had completely stopped) that i noticed that the crown was still resisting.

Plugh

 

[dtmartin46]

hpark21

After the watch winds down, I still cannot wind the watch, it seems fully wound, if I move/shake the watch to auto-wind it, the watch starts and the power indicator starts to rise.

I have wound the watch once (since getting it), and i am 100% sure I did not over wind... I hope I am just missing something obvious.

Thanks

Plugh

Plugh,

First, welcome to the forum.

Second, as Mike said, don't worry about over winding, it's not gonna happen. ;-) All Valjoux 7750s nowadays have a 'clutch' that'll kick in when the watch is fully wound. This stops overwinding, and it would be hard to hurt the watch simply by continuing to wind it. My 7750 clicks audibly when it's on a full wind.

When you try to turn the crown, is it 'resisting' turning, or is it stuck? Can you twist/turn it when you pull it out to set the date It may just be new, and might need a little 'encouragement' to wind smoothly? Is it super-hard to turn, or is it just a little stiff?

If you pick the watch up when it's dead, and wind the crown, after about 10 turns, the power reserve, and the second hand should start to move.

 

[Plugh]

Great responses and very helpful

It will wind further but guess im a little nervous, date does change, chrono works, time keeping is great. Just a little confused about the hand wind side of it.

Ill let you know if it works even if I have to type through the tears.


Plugh

 

[Plugh]

Okay that's confirmed the fact that I am a complete idiot....


It just needed a little more gusto, and yes it wound fine, and the reserve did move. I was a little "weak" with it. The first few winds probably picked up the slack, the resistance must have been once it started winding.


Cheers to all that helped


Plugh

 

[hpark21]

Good to hear all's well.

Wear it in good health.

 

[bczolone]

I wanted to say that my Hamilton 7750 is the same way...tough to wind or so it seemed.

It was confirmed when I got my second 7750 base movement in my Longines, which winds nice and smooth, much smoother and easier than the Hamilton when they are wound down.

I guess some are either tighter or offer more resistance than others.

 

[Plugh]

It definitely eased off a little from the initial effort needed to wind it, I also asked my wife to try winding, luckily I am saved from homely ridicule, she had the same feeling.

All seems well now though and I am very happy with the watch, I can see why some of you are collectors, I never really thought of a watch as being "interesting" before. I think this watch will be the first of many.


Plugh

 

[thetokyokid]

My 7750 clicks audibly when it's on a full wind.

This is what I listen for when I wind my Porsche Design Chrono. It shares the 7750 movement also. When I hear the clutch click, I stop winding. I think it is about 25-30 winds.

Also, before you wind, it may help to ratchet the crown back towards you before winding. I don't know why, but sometimes this has helped with various watches that I have had (one UT 6497 in particular).

Cheers.