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I have recently acquired 2 vintage ladies watches, that I am trying to find information on, parts lists and exploded assy views.
1. Euromatic cased Incabloc/Automatic/21 jewel,(favre-Leuba)marked on back cover is 'Harpoon'. ser.No 52532-1339, but no sign of Cal. number . It also has date ring. Iam particularly interested in the keyless works as i am having problems sorting what goes where
2.Manual wind ser. no 45654-155, I can see no sign of Cal. number. As yet i have not started on this watch as it is working well, I am just preparing the ground for when I need to.
Also potential parts suppliers would be helpful
 

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Favre-Leuba

Hi Johnny,

For Favre-Leuba questions I think you are more likely to get answers on the
vintage watch forum. I will move your post there.

However, I think you need to post movement photos to help people give you
information.


Thanks,
rationaltime
 

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Hard to say anything without a picture of the watches and the movements. Along with pictures of the movement, the size (diameter) would be of interest. Favre-Leuba mostly had inhouse movements, besides a few AS and ETA, so there is not such a large pile to dig through.
 

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Hi rationaltime,
Thanks for your response, I attach some pics. These are of the Euromatic movement. I will send the second as a separate post.
John

IMG_0332.JPG IMG_0331.JPG IMG_0328.JPG IMG_0326.JPG
 

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Hi Boreder-Reiver,
Thanks for your interest, I attach some pics of the Euromatic movement and I will post again with the other one.


Regards
John
IMG_0332.JPG IMG_0326.JPG IMG_0331.JPG IMG_0328.JPG
 

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Hi Border-Reiver,
Got yor name right this time sorry|
I attach the 2nd movement, as yet to remove from case
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Do the watches have a dial, perhaps light green or blue? I cannot recognize a Favre-Leuba movement nor a third party model they have used.
 

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Hi Border- Reiver, Both dial are a champagne colour.
watch 1. Dial is 17 dia : movement is 17.50 dia
watch 2. Dial is 14.50 dia; movement is rectangular 12 mm x 16 mm with radiused corners

I attach pics of the dial

Watch 1. IMG_0333.JPG Watch 2. IMG_0334.JPG


REGARDS
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Hi Border- Reiver, Both dial are a champagne colour.
watch 1. Dial is 17 dia : movement is 17.50 dia
watch 2. Dial is 14.50 dia; movement is rectangular 12 mm x 16 mm with radiused corners

I attach pics of the dial

Watch 1. View attachment 11044610 Watch 2. View attachment 11044618


REGARDS
John
I am at my wits end. I know a collector with a lot of experience with this brand, but I also drew a blank there. The rectangular movement looks familiar and is found in Favre-Leuba ladies watches (see image of a similar movement which I got from the net), round or rectangular shaped. It is of newer date than the original versions, which came without a shock-protection. Can't find the caliber, but its genuine, which of course doesn't answer your question.

My questions about green or blue dials: I wanted to see from the front if the watch could be a 'Mumbai-special'. Favre-Leuba is an often faked brand especially in this region, but the dials are totally different. The problem with the automatic movements in connection with Favre-Leuba is, if you don't immediately identify one of their inhouse ones, that they are many made in partnership with Juvenia, Zodiac, Girreard-Perregaux, Eberhard, Ebel and Doxa etc., possibly also with Felsa.

I keep on looking. Perhaps someone else can say something more.
 

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Goodness me! Using Ranfft's extended search function, I had no trouble with those two. The first (round) one even has some sort of calibre markings under the balance (seen in the oblique side on shot). That one is an ETA Cal. 2551 (or a derivative, but I think it's actually this one):

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: ETA 2551

...and the other one something from the Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1234 family:

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: AS 1234

In actual fact, Favre-Leuba didn't make many of their own movements. The main one they had is the double-barrelled, manual winding one:

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Favre-Leuba 250

...plus their cooperation movement (with G-P, Zodiac, Doxa & Eberhard, based on the Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1687/1688):

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Favre-Leuba 1134

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Goodness me! Using Ranfft's extended search function, I had no trouble with those two. The first (round) one even has some sort of calibre markings under the balance (seen in the oblique side on shot). That one is an ETA Cal. 2551 (or a derivative, but I think it's actually this one):

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: ETA 2551

...and the other one something from the Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1234 family:

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: AS 1234

In actual fact, Favre-Leuba didn't make many of their own movements. The main one they had is the double-barrelled, manual winding one:

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Favre-Leuba 250

...plus their cooperation movement (with G-P, Zodiac, Doxa & Eberhard, based on the Adolf Schild Cal. AS 1687/1688):

bidfun-db Archiv: Uhrwerke: Favre-Leuba 1134

Hartmut Richter
Thanks, that thing was driving me crazy. If I would have seen a 2551 somewhere on the images, it would have been an easy one to catch, but my eyes must have gone bad, still unable to see it. I have the watch with the twin barrel movement and two others from Favre-Leuba and gave away for free a Favre-Leuba Mumbai special some time ago.
 

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Hi Hartmut,
Vielen danke, brilliant detective work I am much indebted. What would be the chance of getting any parts list/ exploded assy diagrams (ETA cal2551), to help me get this little beauty back together.

John
 

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Hi Border-Reiver,
Thanks for your efforts, I am now much nearer my goal. When I finish these two projects I will send you some pics, to keep you sane
John
 

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Hi Border-Reiver,
Thanks for your efforts, I am now much nearer my goal. When I finish these two projects I will send you some pics, to keep you sane
John
You might want to get the whole thing instead of individual parts. They are all over the place, either fully working or for parts and repair. On the latter however, you run the risk that you get one with exactly the part damaged which you want to replace. They have individual markings on the rotor, so you should at least take this part from the original watch (besides dial and hands) if you want to change the thing altogether.

I am not so deep in watch repair to tackle tasks like you do, but when vintagewatch needs to be repaired, I usually get a used movement and dump the watch together with this movement at the watchmakers desk. That saves me from long stories of 'mission almost impossible' or 'the hardship of free watchmakers with ETA parts', and it is also often substationally reducing the price for the repair and the time before I get it back.

Here is one from Switzerland, shipping internationally:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ETA-2551-BUCHERER-Vintage-Swiss-Made-Automatic-Watch-Movement-1403/182379643054?_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=41375&meid=1012662f760042e88c2695ec3698a29c&pid=100623&rk=2&rkt=6&sd=282380937186

Here you get the entire watch running on an ETA 2551 for a song from from eBay USA (could be your region), even said to be 'running strong'.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ETA-2551-Automatic-Swiss-Made-Nicolet-Watch-Co-Ladys-Watch-Running-Strong-/282380937186?hash=item41bf3727e2:g:MMEAAOSwZQRYfQSJ

here is the AS 1234 (marked Vulcain) which might give you all you want:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vulcain-Caliber-PY-AS-1234-Watch-Movement-Complete-With-Good-Balance-Ticks-/252753423407?hash=item3ad9472c2f:g:ZoIAAOSwgmJXzJk~
 

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I have to agree with Border-Reiver: on a generic movement, you might be better off getting an entire replacement or one to cannibalise. Spare parts can be rare, depending on what exactly you want, and specialists who have them may sometimes only dish them out to professional watchmakers. I have been after a seconds gear and pivot for a Zenith Cal. 133.8 for ages and on fleabay Germany, you can get most parts for that movement except this damn one.....!

Hartmut Richter
 
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