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There are a lot of vintage watches (such as Omega, Longines and Tudor) available on ebay from India and the Far East. Without wishing to cast aspersions against the citizens of these fine countries, am I right to be suspicious of these watches? Are the such things as fake/replica vintage watches?
 

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Hi, most are not fakes but may have refinished dials,they usually post good pictures of the movement which you may be able to cross reference on Dr Ranfft siite.
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Yes there are. A quick google for 'replica vintage Zenith' gave many results. For example:

"Zenith Vintage 1965 18kt Rose Gold Mens Watch" - 100 units in stock.

More often, though, they are genuine old watches which have been 'professionally' refinished and serviced - with varying results. A big problem is that, depending where you live, the cost of sending back a poor watch for a refund is prohibitive. Some folks have got bargains; but be careful.
 

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My experience has been that watches purchased from Singapore are invariably in good condition and running well, but the dials have often been unimaginatively refinished. My experience with India has been uniformly bad. All watches have had bad problems with their movements and cases suffered badly from corrosion. I've never bought from South Korea.

I also find Hong Kong a very dubious place to buy vintage watches from, though I have not had any particular problems with Taiwan.
 

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Based on my experiences only!! -

  • India sources a great deal of redials. But the watches are usable.
  • Good vendors in Singapore offer watches you will not see any where else. Bad vendors offer junk.
  • Good vendors in the Philippines offer nice watches at great values. And they also offer junk.
  • Hong Kong is the Basel of the Asian watch industry. Many good vendors offer a variety of interesting watches. Some of the Asian watches offered have limited availability in the West.
  • South America has a wide variety of vendors but the density of frankens is amazingly high.
  • Nobody sells watches sourced from Africa but there are some interesting vendors in both Israel and Jordan.
  • The only watches that should ever be bought from a dealer in the Ukraine are old Russian watches. They have access to so many of these it is not economical to fake them :)
  • When buying from vendors on eBay who are located in Germany, use your PayPal sourced from a credit card. Only the credit card's bank will be of help in the event of no shows of watches.
  • And, of course, my constant reminder "Friends don't let friends ship DHL".
 

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As I could see on bay,most of the watches from asia and india have corroded movements because there is a high humidity in those areas of the world :think:

Hong Kong has definitely best watches (in Asia) :-!
 

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Just an additional note for UK-based potential importers:

If you buy from a country outside the EU then you will have to pay Import VAT on goods with a value that exceeds £18. So, if you spend £100 on a watch then at 17.5% you will be charged £17.50 VAT. You will also be charged £8 by the Post Office for collecting the money off you! Total charge £25.50. Add onto that the shipping charge (varies, but say £10 more than you would pay a local seller) then you are paying a £35.50 premium over and above the purchase price. It may still be a bargain, of course.

If the watch is faulty and you return it, you get none of that back. And, of course, you have to send it back using a trackable and insured (therefore costly) postal service AND hope that the seller plays fair and refunds your money. Further, it is not unknown for HMCR to value an item at considerably more than you paid for it, and they are not easily persuaded otherwise.

I've bought one or two cheap watch tools from Hong Kong and China, and been very pleased. But I no longer look at vintage watches outside the EU.

I know other countries have different rules. Take care out there.;-)
 

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Your not wrong Marrick, I've been caught out by these charges,
and H.M Customs own valuations which they have imposed on items
that I purchased from the U.S.

The most annoying part is that the parcel can be caught up for weeks
in a customs office somewhere and you are left wondering where it is
and then when you finaly receive it the parcel has been ripped open and
crudely taped up again.
I recently had some watch parts sent from U.S, nothing to valuable as to
attract customs duty, but that didn't stop them delaying the parcel by three weeks
whilst they tore open packets of balance staffs and other items then crudely
packaged them again. I was very fortunate that the tiny items were all still in the
main envelope although I had to retrieve them from the corners and seams.

Like yourself, I now only trade in EU.
 

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"Based on my experiences only!! -

India sources a great deal of redials. But the watches are usable.
Good vendors in Singapore offer watches you will not see any where else. Bad vendors offer junk.
Good vendors in the Philippines offer nice watches at great values. And they also offer junk.
Hong Kong is the Basel of the Asian watch industry. Many good vendors offer a variety of interesting watches. Some of the Asian watches offered have limited availability in the West.
South America has a wide variety of vendors but the density of frankens is amazingly high.
Nobody sells watches sourced from Africa but there are some interesting vendors in both Israel and Jordan.
The only watches that should ever be bought from a dealer in the Ukraine are old Russian watches. They have access to so many of these it is not economical to fake them
When buying from vendors on eBay who are located in Germany, use your PayPal sourced from a credit card. Only the credit card's bank will be of help in the event of no shows of watches.
And, of course, my constant reminder "Friends don't let friends ship DHL"."

Wow, succinct and to the point. You are a sage my friend. I wish I could sit down and pick your brain over a cup of java or two. Thank you for sharing this with us!
 

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Hello Eeeb,
Very interesting thread here and also good advise from you. But it make me feel uncomfortable for have won bidding in ebay from a Singapore seller. I just won a vintage Favre Leuba for GBP9.99;-), and annoying part is the shipping rate is GBP10.00, Im just from neighboring country-Malaysia :). Well that is not a problem at all. The point is, are they authentic? that's all I ask. Two pictures and ebay website for you to digest. You may or may not comment is up to you Eeeb:-d.

http://i1.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/76/3a/b031_12.JPG

http://i5.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/76/3a/988b_12.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250520317997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Later.
Thanks.
 

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I think I gave my opinion in another thread. Redials look much cleaner than this watch.
 

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Hello Eeeb,
Very interesting thread here and also good advise from you. But it make me feel uncomfortable for have won bidding in ebay from a Singapore seller. I just won a vintage Favre Leuba for GBP9.99;-), and annoying part is the shipping rate is GBP10.00, Im just from neighboring country-Malaysia :). Well that is not a problem at all. The point is, are they authentic? that's all I ask. Two pictures and ebay website for you to digest. You may or may not comment is up to you Eeeb:-d.

http://i1.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/76/3a/b031_12.JPG

http://i5.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/76/3a/988b_12.JPG

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250520317997&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

Later.
Thanks.
Whoever bought it paid about USD$15 + shipping. Not a lot of interest in this one. Watch looked OK too - though I try an avoid any seller who uses the word "rare" in any auction, this was an inexpensive chance.
 

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i am located at Singapore...recently i heard there is 1 guy that got scammed over a supposed re-cased Breguet Pocket watch over our local watch forum...for me i m not getting any from ebay unless i can get the watch vertifed by my watch-man....

P.S: Not all ebay sellers are bad....met a few sellers b4 for face to face meet up...dials are redialed or relumed...movement are real stuff..
 

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I'm always buying watches from the far east. You certainly have to know what you want and what you are buying inside out, back to front and upside down.

You have to be wary of some of the sources though. I can litterally say to one of my guys "find me a (brand)X (model)X, from 19XX and he'll have me one in a couple of days. Where do they all come from so easily and readily available?!?
 

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... I wish I could sit down and pick your brain over a cup of java or two. Thank you for sharing this with us!
I'm just 100 miles east on I-70 :-d
 

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As others have noted, there are many authentic good quality vintage Swiss hand-winding wristwatches being sold in India with vividly coloured redials. Amongst these you will occasionally find a locally-made HMT or Allwyn with a Swiss-branded dial.

Famous Swiss named vintage watches found in Vietnam are often Soviet-built Poljot or Raketa with a bogus dial. A vintage Seiko is more likely to be legitimate.

In China there were a few Swiss brand sold during the 1960s such as Enicar and Mido. There are many good ones one the market and many more poor ones, all authentic. Vintage Rolexes are more likely to be locally made watches redialed.

If buying vintage Soviet watches from the Ukraine, be sure to make enquiries on our Russian forum. There are a lot of common Russian watches faked to resemble less common Russian watches.
 
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