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Strange. If I want a watch to be inscribed with my name, initials or the family crest, I would do it on the outside of the caseback.
If my memory serves me correctly, he was one of the last to join the NSAP in the group surrounding AH. 1933 to 1935 or something

No, I think this is a nice way to try to cash in on the much sought after memorabilia from that party and that era.

Also, if you had a $200 watch, would you bother placing it in a Bank safe?? Not likely, specially as the owner does not seem to be a WIS.
 

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Strange. If I want a watch to be inscribed with my name, initials or the family crest, I would do it on the outside of the caseback.
If my memory serves me correctly, he was one of the last to join the NSAP in the group surrounding AH. 1933 to 1935 or something

No, I think this is a nice way to try to cash in on the much sought after memorabilia from that party and that era.

Also, if you had a $200 watch, would you bother placing it in a Bank safe?? Not likely, specially as the owner does not seem to be a WIS.

The claim that Southebys attests to this needs to be verified. Longines has excellent records and can supply the original buyer and casing specifics via serial number. This smells wrong.

Oh, wait a minute... this is a play!! LOL
 

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hmm...interesting points. :-!

it will be interesting to see if anyone challenges it.
 

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If this story is legit I would sell the watch(thats if I had no real interests in watches like the owner) I agree with the posts on the article that it's a piece of history that should remain intact or in a museum(gee, I bet the guy didnt think about donating it to a museum) Whoever said to smash it is a moron.
 

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History should never be manipulated. To destroy a historical piece is a crime.

What was it, 16 weeks to authenticate?
 

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Sothebys name notwithstanding, I would want a lot more details on how they established provenance. German WWII era stuff is widely collected so there are a lot of very good fakes that have been around enough to accumulate some patina.

Is it possible that the Ribbentrop watch turned up in a second-hand (Pawn) watch shop in Los Angeles over 60 years after his death? Sure. And all of the Bought-My-Antique-For-$10-Worth-$50,000 stories on Antiques Roadshow are possible too. Just not likely.
 

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Wait a minute -There are stranger things under heaven. Being an antiques and collectibles dealer Ive wandered here and there in my quest for the all mighty deal. Many of you have found watches worth far more than what you paid for them. Ive paid a few dollars for things that eventually went at auction for 3,000 dollars. Not quite in the same league, but same idea. I have on my wall a California impressionist painting by a fellow named Melendez. Sotheby and Freemans both gave me an auction quote of 7-10,000 dollars or there abouts. Im not selling it. But I paid 2 bucks for it at a porch sale. So don t be such a kill joy. Im waiting to find a Fra Angelica painting for under 10 bucks and retire. Wish me luck. As for .... stuff Ive found a few ghetto coins and script that I couldnt bring myself to sell and basically gave to Jewish institutions and other various destinations, but I couldnt sell them. If he can afford to the owner of the watch might want to give it to a museum as some one else suggested. Frankly if I were hard up, Id sell the thing. The Jewish,gypsie, Enemy of the state, Gay, .... .... driven Holocaust is sadly one of many, right up to today.......I could go on and on......... P&P
 

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Wait a minute -There are stranger things under heaven. Being an antiques and collectibles dealer Ive wandered here and there in my quest for the all mighty deal. Many of you have found watches worth far more than what you paid for them. Ive paid a few dollars for things that eventually went at auction for 3,000 dollars. Not quite in the same league, but same idea. I have on my wall a California impressionist painting by a fellow named Melendez. Sotheby and Freemans both gave me an auction quote of 7-10,000 dollars or there abouts. Im not selling it. But I paid 2 bucks for it at a porch sale. So don t be such a kill joy. Im waiting to find a Fra Angelica painting for under 10 bucks and retire. Wish me luck. As for .... stuff Ive found a few ghetto coins and script that I couldnt bring myself to sell and basically gave to Jewish institutions and other various destinations, but I couldnt sell them. If he can afford to the owner of the watch might want to give it to a museum as some one else suggested. Frankly if I were hard up, Id sell the thing. The Jewish,gypsie, Enemy of the state, Gay, .... .... driven Holocaust is sadly one of many, right up to today.......I could go on and on......... P&P
Not trying to kill any joy, but I've watched and enjoyed the Roadshow since it premiered. I sense a competition between participants to out-wow one-another with their stories.
 

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Surely Longines in Switzerland does not keep records of who bought a watch in 1930?

Maybe the local importer, but I guess those records went up in flames.

von R. was a relative nobody 1930.
 

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another point brought up elsewhere was that the initials should have been "JvR" instead of "JVR" given the convention of the time.

and apparently the owner described the case in another article as having a "hinged" case.

definitely food for thought....:think:
 

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von always has, is and will be spelled with a small v.

Of course the Auction firm will do the best to create a "real" relic, and dig up every evidence that this did belong to him.
The $ they will make is hugely larger.
 

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"Von Ribbentrop’s Watch'" opens at the Oxford Playhouse on September 9 (01865 305305), before moving to Watford Palace Theatre (01923 225 671), Richmond Theatre (020 8939 9260), and Salisbury Playhouse (01722 320 333)
 

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"Von Ribbentrop’s Watch'" opens at the Oxford Playhouse on September 9 (01865 305305), before moving to Watford Palace Theatre (01923 225 671), Richmond Theatre (020 8939 9260), and Salisbury Playhouse (01722 320 333)
my understanding was that the play was based on real life experience.

i was wrong.

totally sucked in by the internet. :oops:
 

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"Von Ribbentrop’s Watch'" opens at the Oxford Playhouse on September 9 (01865 305305), before moving to Watford Palace Theatre (01923 225 671), Richmond Theatre (020 8939 9260), and Salisbury Playhouse (01722 320 333)
Hmmm...coincidence...or maybe more than....:-d
 

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Like Fish, this smells worse and worse the longet time goes.
 
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