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This is guy was basically selling this "Waltham Swiss Made Stainless Steel Manual Vintage Swiss Made 1960s Watch MA97"
The price was at 699,00 $US, and I made an offer: 65,00 $US (94,99 $US with shipping)
He accepted.:think: He seems trustworthy, but I don't know. The movement has obviously been cleaned, supposed to be authentic even if I think the dial/hands might have been changed.
What do you think, am I paying too much?
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Most likely it's a franken, since the number of jewels on dial and movement don't match. And these Swiss Waltham's aren't really desirable in any case. Is $100 too much? Not necessarily, since it's a clean, functional watch with a decent Swiss movement and a SS case. But don't think about it as collectible - it's just something to wear. Also, I'm skeptical that the seller would have accepted such a lowball offer if the watch had really been serviced.
 

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Yep, exactly xD Since I knew 699,00 $US was too high so I basically used this formula : 69[strike]9,00[/strike] = 69 - 4 = 65 + 0,00 = 65,00 $US
 

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That he jumped on a 90% markdown says he knows what it is really worth.
Well, I got some news.
He sent me this message:
"Hello
Something went wrong. I was under the impression yuor
bid was 650.00. My intention is to cancel this transaction.
Mike"
 

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There is something fishy here, perhaps with the intention to lead people to believe that these kind of watches have a certain market value. 'Oh, I recently saw one at eBay sold for...!'
 

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Don't know who the seller is, as you haven't identified them, but the style (sic) of the photograph looks very reminiscent of a guy who lists tons of Seikos at super-high prices on eBay. Don't know if he ever sells anything to anyone other than himself; I hope not. He typically lists stuff like Seiko vintage Champions for around USD 700; insane. Like this offering.
 

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There is something fishy here, perhaps with the intention to lead people to believe that these kind of watches have a certain market value. 'Oh, I recently saw one at eBay sold for...!'
I think it's more a case of dressing up a decent, under-valued 60's movement with a flashy well buffed case and NOS dial so as to compare favorably with something "new". Their target isn't knowledgeable vintage collectors who know that a decent 60's Waltham can be had for well under a hundred. It's vi-curious millennials who know that a new decent Rolex or Omega costs several thousand.
 

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Well, I got some news.
He sent me this message:
"Hello
Something went wrong. I was under the impression yuor
bid was 650.00. My intention is to cancel this transaction.
Mike"
Something went wrong???? He thought there was a live fish on the hook. Lol!! You can buy new Hamilton and Bulova mechanical watches for less than that.
 

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I tend to think that:

(1) the seller is delusional about the value of this watch, and
(2) he made an honest mistake in accepting your offer.
 

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It's a pig with lipstick on.

I think it's more a case of dressing up a decent, under-valued 60's movement with a flashy well buffed case and NOS dial so as to compare favorably with something "new". Their target isn't knowledgeable vintage collectors who know that a decent 60's Waltham can be had for well under a hundred. It's vi-curious millennials who know that a new decent Rolex or Omega costs several thousand.
 
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