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There's quite cheap Technochas digital watches that have digital rate correction feature, configured by a user. That corrects daily rate down to 0.1 to 0.05 seconds a day (37 to 18 seconds a year), but those whatches don't have any thermocompensation. So that watch will keep good time if constantly worn (thus kept at stable temp provided by the highly thermal stable human body). Price is about $40.

What's the start price for new thermocompensated watch, what about day-date?
Is there any watch (except those soviet-era Technochas) where user can input rate correction?
It there any on aliexpress?
Some of your answers can be found by searching in this forum.
 

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Some of your answers can be found by searching in this forum.
Ron I know it's kind of your go to line, some variation of use the search function. Please stop doing it. The search function is not the answer to most any question. It's not appropriate in normal interactions with anybody in person or on a forum. If you don't think so give that response to your girlfriend, wife, kid, or coworker next time they ask you a question. It's insulting.

Worse yet the search function in this and most cases is about as useful as hands on a t-rex. A search of Technochros yields 5 old results and none of them answer OP's question. A search for "affordable haq" yields 1 result with two year old info. A lot of models no longer exist, and considering your sticky on what is HAQ I'm not sure what qualifies now. But you can clarify this as I reply to OP.

OP, watches like the Technochros tend to be problematic in trying to achieve high accuracy. Typically you will need to have some pretty accurate means to measure your changes, if you don't the changes you measure are so small, the error in measurement means you will spend a lot of time chasing accuracy. You can minimize this by waiting longer between measurements, but that means it will take a while to dial it in. Than once you achieve it not sure if the watch will maintain it.

Now my go to recomendation would be a Bulova, most of them perform at under 20spy and well within COSC, but pricing in different markets means they may be more expensive in your region. Not sure if they are a bargain in eastern Europe, and not sure if they qualify here anymore.

Next would be a Certina, but again not sure about pricing around you and they now are "only" COSC, again not sure if they qualify here. The entire Precidrive line stands by 8 to 10 times better than a standard quartz watch, and Breitling also stands by 10 times better, so again neither brand is a 10spy watch.

That leaves you with the Longines VHP, as the cheapest option, at around 1000 euro's pretty much everywhere, but the US where they are cheaper. After that you have Citizen and Seiko which are at least twice as expensive.

Hope this helps you out OP.
 

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Ron I know it's kind of your go to line, some variation of use the search function. Please stop doing it. The search function is not the answer to most any question. It's not appropriate in normal interactions with anybody in person or on a forum. If you don't think so give that response to your girlfriend, wife, kid, or coworker next time they ask you a question. It's insulting...
Advising of the usage of the search function of HAQ is the best advise any new visitor of the HAQ forum should receive!
Searching in the database of the HAQ forum is educating and fun at the same time and certainly the best way to avoid any unnecessary question/inquiry.
 
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Often when I search on this forum I will get a zero info. notice.
Many times if I go right back and use the very same words I will then get multiple links.

I use a Mac. This happens regardless of if I have cleared my computer of all stored info or not.
I can reset everything and it makes no difference. Early on I asked several already answered questions because I found zero information.
Now, I do a search at least twice in a row and most times get at least some hits.

I do not know if it is this website or my computer that causes this. To help the OP, Joma has Bulova Lunar Pilot for $299.
 

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Often when I search on this forum I will get a zero info. notice.
Many times if I go right back and use the very same words I will then get multiple links.

I use a Mac. This happens regardless of if I have cleared my computer of all stored info or not.
I can reset everything and it makes no difference. Early on I asked several already answered questions because I found zero information.
Now, I do a search at least twice in a row and most times get at least some hits.

I do not know if it is this website or my computer that causes this. To help the OP, Joma has Bulova Lunar Pilot for $299.
Same thing for me with a PC. Type in a word and search and get nothing. Type in the same exact word again then I get hits. Been like this as long as I can remember.
 

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Yup, the search function is basically useless.

To answer your question, you can't go wrong with a Bulova. The 262Hz movements are great. I've owned three of them, still have two. They are never off much at all when it comes time to switch from MST to MDT and back (which I wish would end, just stay on standard time for crying out loud!). And you can pick up a very handsome model for around $200, some times less.
 

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What made OP's question a little different than most is that he is in Moscow Russia, not sure the taxes/duties he faces. Is Joma or any of the US or Japanese GM sellers an option? I know Certina has strong presence in Russia, not sure if their prices are higher there.

He also has to consider how willing WUS members are willing to ship internationally especially to Russia.

Hopefully OP will come back and share some info.
 

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OP, watches like the Technochros tend to be problematic in trying to achieve high accuracy. Typically you will need to have some pretty accurate means to measure your changes, if you don't the changes you measure are so small, the error in measurement means you will spend a lot of time chasing accuracy. You can minimize this by waiting longer between measurements, but that means it will take a while to dial it in. Than once you achieve it not sure if the watch will maintain it.
That's (waiting some time to measure) not a problem at all for me :)
I have just posted an update to video method that gives an accuracy of about 1 spy measuring a watch two times in 10 days period: https://www.watchuseek.com/f9/methods-determining-accuracy-watch-382752-5.html#post50099355
Of course, there's no guarantee that watch maintains accuracy being rate corrected to zero. Moreover, I do see that digital watch rate deviates about 0.1 spd being put on wrist (rate slowers about 0.1 seconds per day with about 10 degrees centigrade tempreture difference between a shelf and a wrist). But being put on the wrist, watch becames thermostabilized down to +/-1 degrees centigrade so thermocompensation is not needed anymore (while the watch sits on the wrist, of course).

Saying the above, I don't consider watch where user can configure rate, as "true" HAQ watch (but still quite close to it), but I'm very much suprised there's no such a watch exists except those by Technochas. By the way, I did have such a watch when I was a kid, in 1985 or so.

That leaves you with the Longines VHP
Well, Longines (and also Breitling, Certina etc.) are definitely not among most affordable brands :)
As far as I'm not watch obsessed (in general and specifically HAQ), but having HAQ would be goog, I asked for most affordable. Perhaps for some microbrand, or china made noname. Maybe the time just hasn't come.
 

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What made OP's question a little different than most is that he is in Moscow Russia, not sure the taxes/duties he faces. Is Joma or any of the US or Japanese GM sellers an option? I know Certina has strong presence in Russia, not sure if their prices are higher there.

He also has to consider how willing WUS members are willing to ship internationally especially to Russia.

Hopefully OP will come back and share some info.
Jomashop, dutyfreeislandshop and sellers like that are quite popular source for those watch obsessed people.
Russians currently don't pay taxes for customs value below 500 euros per month (and pay 30% tax for value portion that exceeds 500 euros).

Also, there is "market" section on watch.ru forum with new and preowned staff, so geography doesn't play significant role.
 

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That's (waiting some time to measure) not a problem at all for me :)
I have just posted an update to video method that gives an accuracy of about 1 spy measuring a watch two times in 10 days period: https://www.watchuseek.com/f9/methods-determining-accuracy-watch-382752-5.html#post50099355
Of course, there's no guarantee that watch maintains accuracy being rate corrected to zero. Moreover, I do see that digital watch rate deviates about 0.1 spd being put on wrist (rate slowers about 0.1 seconds per day with about 10 degrees centigrade tempreture difference between a shelf and a wrist). But being put on the wrist, watch becames thermostabilized down to +/-1 degrees centigrade so thermocompensation is not needed anymore (while the watch sits on the wrist, of course).

Saying the above, I don't consider watch where user can configure rate, as "true" HAQ watch (but still quite close to it), but I'm very much suprised there's no such a watch exists except those by Technochas. By the way, I did have such a watch when I was a kid, in 1985 or so.


Well, Longines (and also Breitling, Certina etc.) are definitely not among most affordable brands :)
As far as I'm not watch obsessed (in general and specifically HAQ), but having HAQ would be goog, I asked for most affordable. Perhaps for some microbrand, or china made noname. Maybe the time just hasn't come.
All good, the options I gave were based on the sticky Ron posted stating 10spy as the new norm. Oddly someone posted a COSC watch with rave reviews so who knows, guess 20+spy is okay here after all. But that aside, don't know any microbrands putting any time into this tech.

Casio, from what I've heard makes an adjustable watch like the Technochas also. You'll have to go over to Casio forums to get more info, if you're interested.

The Seiko that John mentioned can be had pretty cheap, but bear in mind its a 33.5mm case and the band can fit a 17.5cm wrist max. Bulova's tend to be on the bigger side, but again are pretty accurate and are relatively low priced.
 

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All good, the options I gave were based on the sticky Ron posted stating 10spy as the new norm. Oddly someone posted a COSC watch with rave reviews so who knows, guess 20+spy is okay here after all...
Well, you'd be better to read this (post #4 of the link) to learn why Ron's definition is not working and what would be the proper standard for HAQ in this forum:
https://www.watchuseek.com/f9/sort-haq-question-5042575.html
 

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Wow, you guys just had a flame around HAQ definition...
Number 10 has got only 2 nontrivial divisors while number 12 has twice as that. 1spm=3spq=12spy :) Next good (superabundant) number is 24.

Okay, I understood that Bulova is the cheapest for now.

By the way, is there digital HAQ?

Analog watch (hands and motors) require complex (=expensive) design to keep track of hands position, preventing magnetic field step motor blockage consequences, while digital do not.
 

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Tissot PR100 with precidrive COSC and the new Tissot Genleman with precidrive looks like good value (like the Certina). If it´s only cheap you want I am sure you can find cheaper, but with overall good value an looks Tissot and Certina are very nice.
 

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Tissot PR100 with precidrive COSC and the new Tissot Genleman with precidrive looks like good value (like the Certina). If it´s only cheap you want I am sure you can find cheaper, but with overall good value an looks Tissot and Certina are very nice.
Which model of Gentleman are you talking about? I see 3: Swissmatic, quartz, and Powermatic 80 versions. The quartz model is using an F06.115 and that is not Precidrive. A bit more digging...all models that are COSC certified are mechanicals. Checking the quartz...doesn't look like it. Several different movements being used...lots of F06.11x's, a smattering of other, older movements. The chronographs I checked were G10.211's...which is a discontinued movement according to both WatchBase and Caliber Corner. The Excellence has a solid gold case...and a tiny barrel-shaped movement that is their higher-end, brass line (Normflatline) but is not PreciDrive.
 

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Jomashop, dutyfreeislandshop and sellers like that are quite popular source for those watch obsessed people.
Russians currently don't pay taxes for customs value below 500 euros per month (and pay 30% tax for value portion that exceeds 500 euros).
If Jomashop ships to Russia, then the OP might want to seriously consider the discontinued Tissot PR100 COSC, which is only $159 USD. It's F06.411 is thermocompensated. Mine has gained a bit more than +8 seconds since the time change last March, so it's not on pace for Ron's 10spd standard, more likely 13-14 spd. The Bulova 262kHz are also nice, especially the 3-handers, but the bargain prices seem to be drying up.

https://www.jomashop.com/tissot-watch-t1014511105100.html
 
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