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Yea they're awesome watches and so on...

Can't they just put a bit of lume? How are we supposed to appreciate them in the dark?

Anybody else feel this is a serious flaw? Seriously how can they be day to day 24/7 watches without visibility at night...

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Yeah, if they had a 40mm diver I'd be all over it. I like the idea of a GS, just don't seem to be practical for what I would want it for.

Though to play devil's advocate, most of the GS line is fancy looking pieces people wear to the office (I'm guessing) and lume probably isn't a priority to those customers.
 

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Honestly, they don't need it. If there is any light at all it is pretty legible due to the polish on the hands and indices.
 

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Because GS aren't overbulked divers with hour blips 1/4th the size of the dial... GS is going for a completely different aesthetic, and a beige lume ooze smudge would ruin the look.
 

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I've never understood the desire for lume. Most watches have it and it doesn't last any meaningful amount of time. How often are you in pitch black rooms? I find my GS pretty easy to read in most light settings. It is a hair hard to glance at driving in the dark though mine has particularly small hands which makes that more difficult.

Anyway shamelessly stolen from CitizenM's review of the GS vs AT. The lume just isn't needed imo.

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I've never understood the desire for lume. Most watches have it and it doesn't last any meaningful amount of time. How often are you in pitch black rooms? I find my GS pretty easy to read in most light settings. It is a hair hard to glance at driving in the dark though mine has particularly small hands which makes that more difficult. Anyway shamelessly stolen from CitizenM's review of the GS vs AT. The lume just isn't needed imo. <img src="https://www.watchuseek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1472816"/>
I agree with just about every point you made.

The only niggle I have is that I suspect the GS would be harder to read if the positions in the picture were reversed. It appears the light from what I assume is a doorway only reaches to the GS. Granted, the GS is positioned where it would sit on the wrist, but what if Citizen moved a hair further to the left?
 

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I agree with just about every point you made.

The only niggle I have is that I suspect the GS would be harder to read if the positions in the picture were reversed. It appears the light from what I assume is a doorway only reaches to the GS. Granted, the GS is positioned where it would sit on the wrist, but what if Citizen moved a hair further to the left?
Given both watches are reflecting light on their bezels, I'm fairly confident there's enough light in the room for the GS to be seen if moved. I'm not sure how often I'm in a room with less light than that and still concerned about the time. I can read my GS in the morning off the night stand just as well as other watches I've had with lume (all be it, I've never owned a diver with great lume).

I will say that with the watch in question, I'd be interested in seeing how easy to red hand would be in low lighting. I'm not sure how reflective that could be.
 

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It's not part of their heritage. They established a criteria for a certain type of watch and have in general stood by this statement for 50 years. I much prefer to have at least one option like this in an industry which is willing to make wholesale adjustments (for better and for worse) to stay current with the marketplace...and that includes Rolex, Omega and Seiko (non-GS category)...basically every mid-luxury brand on down really. It'll be interesting to see if GS adapts at least somewhat to Western consumers' preferences and if they do, how much of the line's DNA will be sacrificed.

I agree though that it would be logical to routinely add lume to the sportiest of their sport watches (like that fantastic GMT...their first and still best GMT to my eyes). I think they could do this without compromising their principals...

...or, maybe not. Looking at it again, might lume wreck that watch's exceptionally clean lines? Perhaps Seiko knows best after all.
 

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The GS is a dress watch and as such has no need of lume as is tends to detract from the look of the hour markers. Lume on a watch is just great but TBH how many of us really need it? The lume on my DJ had expired years before I finally noticed its demise.
 

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I've never understood the desire for lume. Most watches have it and it doesn't last any meaningful amount of time. How often are you in pitch black rooms? I find my GS pretty easy to read in most light settings. It is a hair hard to glance at driving in the dark though mine has particularly small hands which makes that more difficult.

Anyway shamelessly stolen from CitizenM's review of the GS vs AT. The lume just isn't needed imo.

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The silver dial reflected light from that pic, not the hands. In fact the hands look black. Now what about the black dial gmt I posted, how will it reflect light?

I can think of various situations where I will be in pitch black: jet lagged in a hotel room, airline cabin, back of taxi, karaoke bar, nightclub alley...

Yes you can say, just take out your iphone/switch on cabin/taxi lights, that's besides the point. There are certain times when in the middle of sleeping we wake just slightly to know what time it is before going back to sleep, especially in travelling, where the bio clock is all messed up.
 

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The GS is a dress watch and as such has no need of lume as is tends to detract from the look of the hour markers. Lume on a watch is just great but TBH how many of us really need it? The lume on my DJ had expired years before I finally noticed its demise.
I must ask, what is a dress watch? Most GSs have a date function and a second function. The GTM listed above even has markers on the bezel itself. They are almost all very thick. Their case designs are also very large. Most of their line are simple everyday watches with a 3 hand movement and a date functions. To me that is a daily wear type watch if there ever one was. Something water resistant enough for a pool, casual enough for jeans and shorts, and dressy enough for a casual/work suit. But dress watch? Very few of their watches are strict dress watches.
 

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The silver dial reflected light from that pic, not the hands. In fact the hands look black. Now what about the black dial gmt I posted, how will it reflect light?

I can think of various situations where I will be in pitch black: jet lagged in a hotel room, airline cabin, back of taxi, karaoke bar, nightclub alley...

Yes you can say, just take out your iphone/switch on cabin/taxi lights, that's besides the point. There are certain times when in the middle of sleeping we wake just slightly to know what time it is before going back to sleep, especially in travelling, where the bio clock is all messed up.
The only place you mentioned THAT dark is the hotel room (if you're lucky). You might have an issue reading the watch there. The rest of those places have more than enough light for the GS finish.
 

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if you have not experienced the polished GS indices than you can't imagine how they reflect even the smallest amount of light. It truly is impressive. Almost any amount of light will reflect. Pitch black is a rare condition unless you are in a cave and then you aren't moving because you would trip
 

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Your grand children do not need to worry about the dial getting spotty from lume bits falling out of their dedicated position at the hour indices or from the hands.
 

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I have two GS as well as a couple of Spring Drives, and because the hands are so well finished and reflect even the smallest amount of light, I have never had an issue with viewing mine unless I am in complete darkness.

No problems at all in viewing the time low light situations for me, as as stated above, this watch goes for a more refined look.
 

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I can really understand the desire for lume. But I guess I'd make a few points with regard to GS:

It's true, the hands really are so polished and beveled that they catch light if there is any. I would say it's not good enough for visibility in a dark theater, but walking around at night from your car to the restaurant, dimly lit restaurants, etc there is no issue at all.

The second point is that I just don't think the hands would be as good if they had lume on them--aesthetically speaking. They are so perfectly polished with that long flat dauphine section.



See how sharp the hands are against the dial with no inconsistencies. I think lume would interfere.







And lastly, there are Grand Seikos are available with lume, although they are definitely the minority in GS' lineup. There used to be more, interestingly.

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