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When did copies become homages?

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When did copies become homages? I'm curious, how this came about? To me a homage is a watch that makes reference to another iconic watch, inspiration or repurposing a desirable feature or design. For example a watch with Oyster case and sterile dial with sword hands but with Fifty Fathom like bezel, to me that would be a homage to Fifty Fathom and possibly vintage military dive watches.

But I'm curious how the WUS or watch community has come to accept copies like Steinhart, Invicta Pro Diver, or Tissell Explorer as being homages, when in fact they are copies. Homage would be pay respecting to the original. This is just ripping off the original design.

I understand some people don't like homages of any kind. I'm OK with a watch that combines features from others, and apply some flair of their own. But I see so many straight copies that are called homages and I don't understand it, since they are clearly not homages, they are copies.

And some people also seem to not able to understand a copy and replica are no the same thing. I"m not saying Steinhart or Davaso make Rolex replicas, but they certainly are making Rolex copies.

To me calling these watches homages is an insult to other watches that are actually homages, as it puts a watch with interesting character of their own in the same basket with these lame copies.
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Man, should us poor folks with good and similar tastes just go away? Would that make you guys happy....for once?
I bet there are a few members here that wish their girlfriends looked like Jennifer Anniston or Eva Longeria.

Are fake breasts Homages or copies? I say If I can touch them they are real
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Ok. Here is my thought on this and it makes good sense to me. In decsending order:

Reissue- A brand taking vintage catalog pieces and doing them currently with modern technology (and pricing). Lots of brands from Otis to Seiko to JLC to Blancpain and more!

Homage- Uses inspiration from vintage or iconic pieces. (Lots of Micro Brands)

Copy- Other than a logo on the dial and possible font changes, it basically "copies" the original perfectly. (Lots of lower tier brands and mid level Micro Brands)

Replica- Tries to copy an original and well known design down to logos, font and design hallmarks. Can be anything from hideous to almost 1 to 1 rip off. Seems quite shade and illegal. (Shady factories making replicas)

Counterfeit- Actually made to fool, trick or con you into believing it is the real item it is copying. Generally very close to exact copy or exact copy and highly illegal. (Factories with greats counterfeit capabilities).

My preference and what I'll support is a brand doing reissues of their own vintage models, I'm not supporting homages down to straight up replicas and counterfeits. If you and I let our $'S do the talking, maybe this will slow down, go away......but the critic in me thinks probably not 😎
I dont understand the difference between replica and counterfeit. If a replica is using the Rolex Logo for example to me that is counterfeit.
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Here is a Spinnaker Hull Diver. Inexpensive watch. Is this watch homage, replica or copy? Wont hurt my feelings if it is. Okay maybe a little.
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Very succinctly put. You have stated the rub well. To paraphrase, “I like your work, but will pay bubba over here to use your design language give me a cheap thrill.” It mat be legal, but it is no more moral than making a copy of a cd rather than paying the artist who created the songs.
Interesting that you bring up music. I was thinking about that analogy while reading this thread. In the late 70's when I was more into audio, I made cassette tapes of most of my vinyl lp's as many people did to play in the car. I felt that because I had purchased the lp, that in effect I had payed the artist already for the music. There are many young people now who have hundreds of songs on their phones and have not payed for them. I could be wrong, but I think music is a little different than watches. Sure some new songs have elements from old ones but for the most part I think the courts have had music protected. There seems to be a very small amount of blatant ripoff.
I forgot the name of the movie, but in the movie Steve Jobs accuses Bill gates of getting the idea to use the mouse on computers from Apple. Bill Gates says to Steve Jobs that Apple got the idea from Xerox.

In this thread we have homage, copy, replica, counterfiet and maybe more.

I will add a new one "evolution"
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post moved to the not necessary , fashionable new thread with same exact subject .
I would not buy a 1 for 1 copy of a luxury brand to portray it as the real deal, that's not me. I have however purchased a few watches from San Martin and Pagani that have a similar style of models I like. Nothing wrong with buying generic Lucky Charms if you can't afford name brand Lucky Charms. Not sure why SOME individuals who owns a luxury brand gets upset when someone has a watch that's similar in looks and only paid a few hundred for it.

Anyways new to the site and WOW a wealth of information!
I think that any company that copies Lucky Charms should be boycotted. The years of research and thousands of hours spent by engineers with masters degrees that it took to create Lucky Charms is immeasurable. I am livid!! I can't type anymore.
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