I didn’t read through all the comments, in my eyes, homage = fake/copy/counterfeit. Plenty of affordable options that don’t rip off years of curating, branding, designing, engineering, improving… you get my point.
So my point was to the general public a Rolex “homage” where the only difference is the printed or applied logo is a counterfeit. Respect the people who did it first, they usually do it the best. Sorry there is a difference between Tylenol and stop and shops pain reliever. They perform similarly but Tylenol is just the better option. Poor analogy perhaps 🤔It's words like "curating" and "branding" that somehow represent the bubble aching to be burst, IMO.
Also no one else confuses counterfeit with homage, as they know what counterfeit means. Or used to mean, back in the day, when we had words for meanings!
Could be perception, and I’m not in internal controls @ whatever drug giant owns them, but I assume quality control is better, better sourcing of chemicals, etc.generic acetaminophen is identical to tylenol, no difference that I've ever heard of other than the name. once the patent runs out competing pharmaceuticals can make and sell their brand of tylenol, or ibuprofin, or aspirin etc. samey samey. I've never noticed any difference in the efficacy of a generic brand
um, yes help the companies I’m a fan of, not just in watches. Idk about ego? You seem triggered, bro.So what, this didn't contribute anything...accept you making a point, directed at your position, or where you'd like to be. Maybe you are where you'd like to be, but so what? What now? Have you helped your ego, or the companies you are a fan of?
I DO get your point, unfortunately.
I like a brand, it has treated me well, I will pay a premium for that. It’s not a “bonanza” if your insinuating buying to be a consumerist junkie. My finances are in great shape and live in an above average sustainable way. Toyota is another brand I speak about often and are on the forums of, I pay a premium for a basic vehicle but I have had outstanding experience with the brand. I won’t save money off the bat like buying a Nissan, but I know I’m getting a timing chain and not belt and a simple 4 speed transmission (now 6 speed on many models and yes I believe some yotas went to the dark side with CVT) as opposed to a CVT, it pays for itself in time. My Sub will be with me for life and I can trust it will last as such.I'd rather be the one "ripping off" than having some brand produce a watch for $1000 and sell it to me for $10,000 because years of curating. No interest in playing the brand junkie/ marketing bonanza.
My analogy was the first thing that popped in my mind maybe not the best, my beef is with people automatically assuming people who buy expensive watches are brainwashed imbeciles who purchase anything because of FOMO, hype, or whatever. I like Rolex, I appreciate their contributions, nothing to do with my ego, I am loyal to a brand I respect. Just like I am loyal to a doctor, insurance broker, or financial advisor. I don’t get why people think it’s all ego stroking? I enjoy my watch simple as that, and regardless of patent expirations homages are cheap copies that have no creativity of their own. You were abrasive when you first quoted me based solely on your assumption of me based on a singular comment by an anonymous user on a message board. We can differ in opinions but why bring it to a level where you personally insult me? That is all, lol.The Toyota/Nissan analogy falls short.
We are not talking about much here. A homage that runs on a Seiko automatic encased in a chunk of 316L is FAR less complicated and very likely to be ticking for many many years. In fact...it may prove to be more reliable in the end. Watches are not all that complicated assuming you start with decent movement.
And while your sub may be with you for life, so will Todd's trusty $300 SKX sans the fiction and marketing.
Thank you for the clarity on the prejudice, and I agree with you completely I may not enjoy homages, but I truly am glad you enjoy your watch that is why we are all here! And some homage brands do go on to producing their own creative designs!I have no axes to grind in your above argument, but I wear homages for the same reason - I enjoy my watch, simple as that. I buy designs I like, for me to enjoy. I have a couple of homages and a majority that arent.
A problem in this whole thread is the assumption we homage wearers get from from other users here that we wear them to "flex", pretending to wear a more expensive watch in the hopes that people in bars will think we are projecting wealth. It was discussed earlier in this thread. That argument (not yours) comes from people who wear watches to stroke their own ego, and believe all watch wearers are the same. We aren't all the same, and your comment illustrates that.
More of a euphemism than an interpretation of law, I never claimed to be a J.D. on patent law or copyright law. This is a watch forum, but if you can share exact statutes that would be a great contribution I suppose."Where the only difference is the logo" - that makes it a counterfeit? If I tried to sell a Steinhart to someone, claiming it was a Rolex, how do you think that would play out when they looked at the logo on the dial. You can't credibly say a Steinhart is a counterfeit. Or, if you do, then you clearly don't understand the law.
To argue there is no difference in controls from company to company is silly.I think you've made everyone else's point.
Brands live on perception, not tangible differences.
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I agree to the point of the cost not equaling the actual cost of a Rolex, or any other high end brand, but my argument really isn’t full of holes… I have worked in a consultative manner to a myriad of light industrial companies in a prior life, and standards and QC differ, corporate philosophy, end user, availability of materials, and a million other variables. I assure you the processes differ from manufacturer to manufacturer regardless of product. I don’t see how that argument is full of holes?But the differences do not equal the cost to the buyer.
Everyone knows the law of diminishing returns.
A Rolex is undeniably better than a San Martin, but not tangibly better by the factor of the cost.
And unless you have some evidence that Tylenol is tangibly different to a no name version of the same drug, your argument is full of holes.
In the literal sense of Tylenol vs supermarket brand sure, it’s conjecture. What is not conjecture is that higher end brands have better material sciences, better QC, and more skilled labor than whatever homage brand we’re talking about. A user even provided video saying while not terrible for the price, still no comparison. You’re arguing for the sake of arguing so I’ll concede as I am tired of this stupid fight, Steinhart and San Martin are just as well built as Rolex, and Omega!Until you provide referable evidence to this forum, you have no argument that Tylenol is fundamentally more effective than own-brand paracetamol, or whatever it is you call it over there. You cannot argue that Tylenol is fundamentally better unless you have a basis for that argument: "they might have better internal processes, although I don't know myself" is not an argument, but mere conjecture. Surely you see this?
Thanks for the level headed response, in an earlier comment which I don’t expect anyone to find at this point, agreed that the quality isn’t actually worth what they are charging. I don’t care if someone likes homages if they don’t like beating on expensive items or just like the brand. There is so much hate on both sides, my point at the end of the day is I do stay loyal to most brands that I respect regardless of technicalities of expired patents and what not. I have no problem with someone loving San Martin, or generic Tylenol . I personally rather the people who have had the process done right the first time, and didn’t copy i.e., homage brands in this particular case. I have also found quality is generally better by the OEM. As a side note thank god for generic meds as they are made available to underserved communities across the world!I think the argument got sidetracked with the material difference between branded drugs and their generic equivalents. That was, as you said, a poor analogy perhaps.
And nobody was arguing that there is no material difference between Steinhart, San Martin et. al., and Rolex or Omega. The comment you replied to stated there definitely was a difference, but asked if the amount of difference equated to the higher asking price of the famous brands.
Of course a Rolex is better than a San Martin. But is it 500 times better?