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When did copies become homages?

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When did copies become homages? I'm curious, how this came about? To me a homage is a watch that makes reference to another iconic watch, inspiration or repurposing a desirable feature or design. For example a watch with Oyster case and sterile dial with sword hands but with Fifty Fathom like bezel, to me that would be a homage to Fifty Fathom and possibly vintage military dive watches.

But I'm curious how the WUS or watch community has come to accept copies like Steinhart, Invicta Pro Diver, or Tissell Explorer as being homages, when in fact they are copies. Homage would be pay respecting to the original. This is just ripping off the original design.

I understand some people don't like homages of any kind. I'm OK with a watch that combines features from others, and apply some flair of their own. But I see so many straight copies that are called homages and I don't understand it, since they are clearly not homages, they are copies.

And some people also seem to not able to understand a copy and replica are no the same thing. I"m not saying Steinhart or Davaso make Rolex replicas, but they certainly are making Rolex copies.

To me calling these watches homages is an insult to other watches that are actually homages, as it puts a watch with interesting character of their own in the same basket with these lame copies.
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I agree that replica - while taboo to a lot of people - are legitimate use of the word since a lot of the pilot watches from IWC, Stowa, Laco are replicas of the original pilots watch from WWII. Likewise, the Seagull 1963 is an exact replica of the original 1963 which is no longer in production. Maybe we shouldn't be so fearful to use the word replica? Because they aren't fakes or counterfeits.
Isn't Seagull replicating their own design language and movement, tho? Ethically, that's different from replicating someone else's..
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Well I can only speak for myself here, but I don't feel ashamed at all when sporting a design copy with its own branding. Then again, I used own what is known in guitar circles as a "Stratocaster copy" and it was a very good quality guitar. I own a very nice M65 styled field jacket that is copy of a famous design. My jeans aren't made by Levi Strauss, but they look very similar. I think I have a pair of Aviator sunglasses somewhere that were not made by Bausch & Lomb
There's Fender copies that are equal or superior to MIA Fender (Sadowsky, Grosh, Lull, Atelier Z, DIY components from Warmoth, older Tokai) and there are those that aren't (too many to name). My jeans aren't all made by Levi Strauss, but they cost about the same- there's no incentive to pass on Levi's to save a few bucks or because I can't afford Levi's.

This, OTOH...

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is nothing but a cash grab on the part of the maer and nakedly shameless behavior on the part of the buyer. Hey, if Omega doesn't make 'em anymore, you have to find a used one. That's okay. Or maybe you just don't get to own one. That's okay, too.


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okay, now I gotta look up IBTL. That's twice in one thread already. I can't keep up with all the pop culture acronyms.
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Most people outside this forum don't care. If they can get a watch from Pagani Design for 125 bucks that looks damn near as nice as an Omega Seamaster costing thousands AND tells the right time, they will. They don't call their Pagani a homage. They just smile slyly and say, "it only cost me 125 bucks. Nice, huh?"
There's a watch collectors forum on FB that's been overrun with homage wearers. They're pretty blatant about it, too. Talking about how much money they save..
So you gave your view on the Ploprof copy, but what do you think about the various Strat copies?
I can't say much bad about them, because the ones I listed cost more than MIA Fender. In the watch case, the buyer is looking for luxury design language at a bargain. In the bass/guitar case, the player is looking for superior quality in a familiar style of instrument. There isn't a better Ploprof or a better PO.

I admit to seeing it differently when you're selling a better product than the original.

Also, Fender didn't defend their intellectual property in court (Ric, OTOH, goes after copiers energetically). and now have only the headstock shape left as purely their own.
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Those would be the people that represent the 99% of the population who think it is absolutely insane to spend thousands of dollars on a watch. If it looks nice, and does what it is intended to (tell the time), it's a home run for them. If it doesn't last as long as the real deal, they just buy another one.
I halfway get them wanting to front like they're wearing a nice watch, but what I don't get is them joining a watch forum. Great, you saw a Steeldive and now you have a watch. Joining a watch forum and talking to yapping at Ploprof owners about how your watch keeps time just like theirs does is trolling.
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Homage THIS, suckahs!!

I don't think anybody's ever gonna replicate this one...
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I'm still raging against Rolex, Omega, and the other fraudsters who produce dive watches with a rotating bezel.

EVERYONE knows the REAL one is the Blancpain FF. Everything else is a dirty copy.
This comes up every time. Not quite the same thing, is it?
Lol. Not buying a watch that looks like a more expensive watch was the 11th commandment. That stone tablet fell out of Moses hand, cracked, and was lost to history.
"These fiftee- <crack> ..uh, ten Commandments..."

That said, it really is a low thing to do, especially for people who register on Watch forums and therefore should know better
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If it wasn't for the brand name on some cars I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference. I guess there are homage cars out there?
Automobile design has really gone out the window at the affordable level, true
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Really? What happened to the wear what you want, nobody notices what you're wearing mantra? Or is that only limited to the the "virtuous" people who are are suddenly self conscious about wearing an expensive watch?
That's not true and never was. People do notice what you're wearing, and if you care, you'll buy into egobrands. If not, you'll have brands that display substance but not necessarily fluff (see my sig)
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But one thing to consider, and I say this with all seriousness, who gives a crap. What is the actual difference beyond semantics and some odd sense of honor one wants to award oneself for their watch purchases, and why does it matter at all?
In the real world, it doesn't matter one whit.

But it's different when a guy buys a copy/homage/whateva and starts lurking around on watch sites waiting for an opportunity to goad real enthusiasts into arguments about how their cheap AliExpress garbage does the sae thing as a Cartier for less money. They think watch enthusiasm is about saving money. They think it's about money at all. It isn't.

I can think of several Hamiltons that run in San Martin price circles- why buy the wannabe? Yeah, it's just a Hamilton, but at least it's what it claims to be, it is what it looks like.
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Man, should us poor folks with good and similar tastes just go away? Would that make you guys happy....for once?
Naw, just buy a Glycine like I did. They're original.
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Is the “h” silent when pronouncing it? ;)

I disagree, how many threads have you seen where people ask if they've ever gotten a compliment on the watches they wear? And 90% of the responses are never, they've never received any comments in all the years wearing a watch. Fact. The only people who might notice are another WIS, and the chances of that happening in the wild...
I've received a couple of comments over several years. Honestly, I think people who like watches do notice when others are wearing watches. I certainly do, tho I rarely broach the topic with the person whose watch I notice.
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To me? Doesn’t really matter. There are going to be degrees of “copying” across ALL classes of watches up to and including the biggest and the most exclusive of makers. There’s no way around it. Watch language is extremely limited. Very few GENUINELY unique designs emerge over time.
It seems to me that most of the copying is coming from lesser brands aping better brands. Why isn't there an improved KFM or CW, for example, costing 2-3 times as much? Because nobody can attract that girl at the bar with a Hammy.
And fenders headstock is a Bigsby homage.
There are enough differences that they'd avoid losing a suit, but yeah, you're right.
No, there's probably a dozen manufacturers making the exact design knock off from the original. You can tell by the see through case back. Seagull only started to remake the original when the knock offs got popular. I believe that forum member HKEd started the trend.
I understand. But I think Seagull should be left alone, because they did make the original (right? Asking).
Homage watches are a gateway drug. You start out buying an honest homage, a mostly original design with one or two design elements that pay genuine respect to worthy predecessors. Before you know it, you're entertaining thoughts of buying a near copy. A few more years down that road, you're buying Oreos instead of Hydrox, and Mr Pibb instead of Dr Pepper. When your degradation is complete, everyone in the checkout line is sneering at you for buying generic cheese curls instead of Cheetos.
Sometimes there's a shakeup in the pecking order, tho.
Oreos are better than Hydrox, nine out of ten scientists say so
its so complex. If affordable‘s is where you list homage, where would homage’s like these go?

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Honestly, those look more like fine reissues from the original watchmaker, rather than cheap homages from someone trying to make a buck
Maybe we should take a page from the collector car world and use the term tribute. In collector cars, expensive/rare cars are often cloned using less expensive base vehicles that are then made to look like the more desirable models. When those clone vehicles come to auction, they are clearly identified as tribute cars so there is no confusion about what is being offered for sale. No way a buyer can claim they were duped into buying a car they thought was an original version of the desirable model car.
Why would they use the term "tribute", tho? It's not a tribute. It's a chance for someone to own a facsimile of what they cannot afford or what is not available.
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