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When did copies become homages?

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When did copies become homages? I'm curious, how this came about? To me a homage is a watch that makes reference to another iconic watch, inspiration or repurposing a desirable feature or design. For example a watch with Oyster case and sterile dial with sword hands but with Fifty Fathom like bezel, to me that would be a homage to Fifty Fathom and possibly vintage military dive watches.

But I'm curious how the WUS or watch community has come to accept copies like Steinhart, Invicta Pro Diver, or Tissell Explorer as being homages, when in fact they are copies. Homage would be pay respecting to the original. This is just ripping off the original design.

I understand some people don't like homages of any kind. I'm OK with a watch that combines features from others, and apply some flair of their own. But I see so many straight copies that are called homages and I don't understand it, since they are clearly not homages, they are copies.

And some people also seem to not able to understand a copy and replica are no the same thing. I"m not saying Steinhart or Davaso make Rolex replicas, but they certainly are making Rolex copies.

To me calling these watches homages is an insult to other watches that are actually homages, as it puts a watch with interesting character of their own in the same basket with these lame copies.
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Lol. Not buying a watch that looks like a more expensive watch was the 11th commandment. That stone tablet fell out of Moses hand, cracked, and was lost to history.
That would be coveting - it’s still there.
homage to me doesn’t mean influences and references; the general meaning of homage is often repeating or reciting verbatim.
So, in your world homage = plagiarism? That is not uncommon here…
Diving Watches are NOT clones or homages of the Submariner. They look the way they look because of ISO6425.
And yet the Polaris has its own look while meeting the ISO requirements.
But you might just find to your surprise that what people who buy "homage" watches do, is just wear a watch they like, knowing it is made by a different company to the original, because they like the design. And that's the end of the story, despite what you might want to project onto it.
Very succinctly put. You have stated the rub well. To paraphrase, “I like your work, but will pay bubba over here to use your design language give me a cheap thrill.” It mat be legal, but it is no more moral than making a copy of a cd rather than paying the artist who created the songs.
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I've been to two world fairs, a bunch of rodeos, some chicken fights, and a goat breeding but I've never seen a place like this website. There are more snobs here than you can shake a stick at. I'm not kidding anyone, I buy watches that appeal to me based on looks, features, movement, build quality, and my budget not because they look like something else. I don't care a bit if they happen to be copies of this or that.
I bet you touch yourself when you look at those pictures.
You do realize cock fighting is illegal - right? I suppose it’s those snobby cops that break it up and arrest all there…
Interesting that you bring up music. I was thinking about that analogy while reading this thread. In the 70's when I was more into audio, I made cassette tapes of most of my vinyl lp's as many people did to play in the car. I felt that because I had purchased the lp, that in effect I had payed the artist already for the music. There are many young people now who have hundreds of songs on their phones and have not payed for them.
I forgot the name of the movie, but in the movie Steve Jobs accuses Bill gates of stealing the use of the mouse on computers. Bill Gates says to Steve Jobs that Microsoft stole the idea from Xerox.
I think it is legal for you to make a copy of music for which you have the license, but copying your buddies LP/CD is not.
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