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  • Santos 100 Black DLC Steel Large

    Votes: 17 39.5%
  • Santos 100 Black DLC Rose Gold Bezel Large

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • B&R 01-96 Commando Big Date

    Votes: 8 18.6%
  • B&R 01-97 Commando Power Reserve

    Votes: 15 34.9%

  • Total voters
    43
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Discussion Starter #1 (Edited)
I'm looking into adding a "black" watch to my current collection and have narrowed it down to these four watches. I believe that either the Cartier or the B&R would be a great addition to my collection as I currently do not own a watch from any of these two brands.

The Santos 100 I like in both versions. Obviously the rose gold one is nicer but it also costs a lot more. The other con about Cartier is that I will most likely get a lower discount when compared to the B&R. But I do like that the black coating is DLC and the rose gold is just soooo sweet. The steel version is very nice as well.

The B&R Commando versions are also very nice and cheaper than the Santos 100. I really like their large unique square shape and I also like that the dial is phantom-like, but you can actually tell time on these. I like both versions as well... the big date one has a much cleaner look, but I really like the power reserve function on the other version.
Which one do you like and why?
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I voted for the Cartier rose gold because it is a classic look with some updating. I am just not a fan of the aircraft instrument on a strap, although some other offerings by B&R are attractive to me.
 

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I like option 1.
 

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I have to say that I have never seen any of the four you listed and they are all pretty cool. If I had to pick one I think that I would go with the first cartier you have listed. I really like the rose gold however I think that the stainless just goes with more. Anyway, good luck in your quest and definetely let us know what you get. Youve got me licking my chops now for that Cartier.
 

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I'd take the Santos DLC steel. The gold looks out of place on the other Santos.
 

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This one:



(I just want to show off my new strap!)
 

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The first one because I don't like how rose gold looks with that cheap strap. B&R is totally out of question since I am a huge B&R hater lol. Moreover, I think there are nicer B&R color schemes in black anyway, if I recall correctly.
 

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I went with the B&R Big Date but none of them are my cup of tea. I adore donut's black Panerai though; it's pure sex!
 

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Good choice. I wouldn't pull the trigger on that Cartier and that B & R. Alpina, Edox came to my mind too when reading the title.
 

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I like the B&R better in general but there is no way I could by the Cartier with the roman numeral 4 written incorrectly. It should be IV.

I've seen this on other watches (mostly chinese) and assumed it was just a quality issue. Is there a reason it is written IIII instead?

(in any case my OCD would go insane knowing that it was incorrect every time I looked at it)


 

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I like the B&R better in general but there is no way I could by the Cartier with the roman numeral 4 written incorrectly. It should be IV.

I've seen this on other watches (mostly chinese) and assumed it was just a quality issue. Is there a reason it is written IIII instead?

(in any case my OCD would go insane knowing that it was incorrect every time I looked at it)

ok I wiki'd and here's what I found...(it would still bug me though...)

Calendars and clocks


This article may contain original research. Please improve it by verifying the claims made and adding references. Statements consisting only of original research may be removed. More details may be available on the talk page. (August 2009)
A typical clock face with Roman numerals



The Shepherd gate clock with Roman numbers up to XXIII (and 0), in Greenwich


Clock faces that are labeled using Roman numerals conventionally show IIII for four o'clock and IX for nine o'clock, using the subtractive principle in one case and not the other. There are many suggested explanations for this, several of which may be true:

  • Louis XIV, king of France, who preferred IIII over IV, ordered his clockmakers to produce clocks with IIII and not IV, and thus it has remained.[6]
  • Using the standard numerals, two sets of figures would be similar and therefore confusable by children and others unused to reading clockfaces: IV and the VI; and IX and XI. Since the first pair are additionally upside down on the face, an added level of confusion would be introduced. It is used to make greater character distinction between them by using IIII and VI
  • The four-character form IIII creates a visual symmetry with the VIII on the other side, which the two-character IV would not.
  • With IIII, the number of symbols on the clock totals twenty Is, four Vs, and four Xs, so clock makers need only a single mold with a V, five Is, and an X in order to make the correct number of numerals for their clocks: VIIIIIX. This is cast four times for each clock and the twelve required numerals are separated:
    • V IIII IX
    • VI II IIX
    • VII III X
    • VIII I IX
The IIX and one of the IXs are rotated 180° to form XI and XII. The alternative with IV uses seventeen Is, five Vs, and four Xs, requiring the clock maker to have several different molds.
  • Only the I symbol would be seen in the first four hours of the clock, the V symbol would only appear in the next four hours, and the X symbol only in the last four hours. This would add to the clock's radial symmetry.
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  • Many clocks use IIII because that was the tradition established by the earliest surviving clock, the Wells Cathedral clock built between 1386 and 1392. It used IIII because that was the typical method used to denote 4 in contemporary manuscripts (as iiij or iiii). That clock had an asymmetrical 24-hour dial and used Arabic numerals for a minute dial and a moon dial, so theories depending on a symmetrical 12-hour clock face do not apply.[7]
 

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I like the B&R better in general but there is no way I could by the Cartier with the roman numeral 4 written incorrectly. It should be IV.

I've seen this on other watches (mostly chinese) and assumed it was just a quality issue. Is there a reason it is written IIII instead?

(in any case my OCD would go insane knowing that it was incorrect every time I looked at it)
I voted for the steel Santos as well. Gorgeous watch.

As for the IV vs IIII, it's by no means a cheap Chinese thing. I read a thread about this subject somewhere on this forum before, but can't find it right now. There are several reasons, yet no one seems to be absolutely sure which one is the correct one. Ranging from the wikipedia information listed above to Christians back in the day disliking the 'IV' because it refered to a 'false god'.

Anyway, IIII is generally accepted. Many brands do it.

It's by no means wrong in the watch world.
 

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I voted for the steel Santos as well. Gorgeous watch.

As for the IV vs IIII, it's by no means a cheap Chinese thing. I read a thread about this subject somewhere on this forum before, but can't find it right now. There are several reasons, yet no one seems to be absolutely sure which one is the correct one. Ranging from the wikipedia information listed above to Christians back in the day disliking the 'IV' because it refered to a 'false god'.

Anyway, IIII is generally accepted. Many brands do it.

It's by no means wrong in the watch world.

Actually both ways of writing it are correct, IV or IIII. I read somewhere that the reason why many watch manufacturers go for the IIII is because it visually looks more even on the dial... specially when balanced with the VIII on the other side of the IIII.
 

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Personally, I only think black watches are cool if they are military (luminox etc) ABC's or other such utility watchs along those lines. The B&R fits in, to a degree, given the "homage" to the aircraft dial. IMO the B&R's look kinda silly in anything BUT black.

The other trouble with most black watches is how they begin to look after time. The black always begins to wear. This could be a cool thing on the B&R, again due to the style. But watches like the Panerai and watches like the Cartier would look pretty bad after the finish begins to fade.
 
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