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In the world of watches reputation is almost everything. A watch brand can make a watch that is of fantastic quality but if they have a bad past then the consumers would probably write them off. For an example seiko has a great reputation for making great affordable reliable watches. But to the high end buyers it's not the same. Even though seiko has the grand seiko line some high end buyers still see them as seikos. Which is in a way bad for seiko because their grand seiko line is great and i believe they can compete with the best from Switzerland when it comes to quality and value. But then on the other hand you have some brands that has had a bad rep from the beginning whereas seiko has a great reputation but just doesn't get much respect from the high end watch buyers. So what brands do you guys think has the worst rep?
 

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I think you'll get a lot of "Invicta" responses (and for good reason), but I also think it depends on who you ask (and, perhaps a bit on the context).
 
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Aeromatic 1912

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Alado

Alpha

Alpha Saphir

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Anderson & Bryl

Andre Belfort

André Mouche

Anne Kramar

ANNO 1827 Hamburg

Ascari

Astroavia

Astron

Baumier

Baxx & Bloom

Belstaff

Bergmann

Bernadino

BOSCE

Bossart

Breytenbach

Buchner-Bovalier

Burgmeister

C. Melchers

Cacalla

Calvaneo

Cantani

Carlo Gallucci

Carlo Monti

Carucci

Cassini

Cavadini

Centia

Charles Conrad

Charles Delon

Charles Raymond

Charles Senard

Chenevard

Chevirex

Cimara

Claude Valentini

Compast

Constantin Durmont

Constantin Weisz

Davis

Decennis

DELMA

Denacci

DETOMASO

Diamstar

Divinus

Donati

Donati Firenze

EDEN

Eichmüller

Elysee

Emile-Frey

Engelhardt

Enzo Bellini

Estana

ETICA

Excellanc

Feinwerk

Firefox

FORESTIER & CIE

Francois-Rotier

Frederique Rothenberg

Gadison Stern

Galileo 1583

Gallucci

Gepetto

Glaswerk

Glaswerk Germany

Goer

Graf von Monte Wehro

Graf von Sponheim

Haas & Cie

Haemmer

Hamberg & Söhne

HARRY MASON

HB & Söhne

Heinrichssohn

Herzog & Söhne

Hindenberg

Hugo von Eyck

INSIGNUM

Ivens & Söhne

J.Wendenburg

Jacques Cantani

Jacques du Manoir

Jaragar

Jeane Melaine

Jean Jacot

Juwelis

Karl Breitner

Khamaro

Kings & Queens

Königswerk

Kronwerk

Krug-Baümen

L. DAVID & SONS

Laurine

Laurini

Lindberg & Goldmann

Lindberg & Sons

Linhart

Linnhoff & Lorenz

Lobor

LOEWENSTEIN

Louis Bolle

Louis Lobel

Louis Valentino

Louis Valon

Lucien Piccard

Lukado

Luv & Kush

Lydia David & sons

M. Johansson

Madison

Marc & Sons

Maria Giesen

Marina Militare

Matterhorn

Medor

Meisterkrone

Meisterzeit

Michel et fils

Minoir

Moneque

MONTALE Paris

Montre Noble

Montres Allison

MZI

Newton & Sons

Nexus

Nomex

Ohsen

Olipai

Olivier Witteaux

Orkina

Oskar Emil

Ottimo

Panzer

Parnis

Pascal Hilton

Perigaum

Persopolis

Phobos

Pierre Chaubert

Pierrini

PIONIER

Pizzaro 1897

PRAETORIAN

R. U. Braun

Raschke Glashütte

Reichenbach

Rene Barton

Rhodenwald&Söhne

Richtenburg

Riedenschild

Robert Frank

Rochmont

Roebelin & Graef

Romilly

Rothenschild

Röthlin

Rover & Lakes

Royal Banker Watches

Rüttli

Sachmann & Benz

Scheffler & Soehne

SMW

Stolzenberg

SWISS CODE RED

SwissStar

Tauchmeister

TAWATEC

THEOREMA

Torgoen

Trias

Triumph

UK GERMAN DESIGN

Vandenbroeck & Cie

Wagner since 1948

Wiltenbach

Windgassen

Wührer & Sons

Yonger & Bresson

Yves Camani

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Invicta

and now throw the stones.
 

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Maybe you have a point, but I buy higend Seikos for their high quality, excellent finishing and craftmanship which you wont get from a Swiss brand in the same pricerange. Yes, Swiss brands has the higher prestige but if you want a exlusive swiss timepiece and a high level of craftmanship you must get up high in price.
 

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Wow Mike. Oh, and Hublot for my 2 cents.
 
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It grinds my teeth to see Lucien Piccard there, then again, it's now a 'zombie brand'.
Adleron

Aeromatic 1912

Akzent

Alado

Alpha

Alpha Saphir

Alvaro Amorosi

Anderson & Bryl

Andre Belfort

André Mouche

Anne Kramar

ANNO 1827 Hamburg

Ascari

Astroavia

Astron

Baumier

Baxx & Bloom

Belstaff

Bergmann

Bernadino

BOSCE

Bossart

Breytenbach

Buchner-Bovalier

Burgmeister

C. Melchers

Cacalla

Calvaneo

Cantani

Carlo Gallucci

Carlo Monti

Carucci

Cassini

Cavadini

Centia

Charles Conrad

Charles Delon

Charles Raymond

Charles Senard

Chenevard

Chevirex

Cimara

Claude Valentini

Compast

Constantin Durmont

Constantin Weisz

Davis

Decennis

DELMA

Denacci

DETOMASO

Diamstar

Divinus

Donati

Donati Firenze

EDEN

Eichmüller

Elysee

Emile-Frey

Engelhardt

Enzo Bellini

Estana

ETICA

Excellanc

Feinwerk

Firefox

FORESTIER & CIE

Francois-Rotier

Frederique Rothenberg

Gadison Stern

Galileo 1583

Gallucci

Gepetto

Glaswerk

Glaswerk Germany

Goer

Graf von Monte Wehro

Graf von Sponheim

Haas & Cie

Haemmer

Hamberg & Söhne

HARRY MASON

HB & Söhne

Heinrichssohn

Herzog & Söhne

Hindenberg

Hugo von Eyck

INSIGNUM

Ivens & Söhne

J.Wendenburg

Jacques Cantani

Jacques du Manoir

Jaragar

Jeane Melaine

Jean Jacot

Juwelis

Karl Breitner

Khamaro

Kings & Queens

Königswerk

Kronwerk

Krug-Baümen

L. DAVID & SONS

Laurine

Laurini

Lindberg & Goldmann

Lindberg & Sons

Linhart

Linnhoff & Lorenz

Lobor

LOEWENSTEIN

Louis Bolle

Louis Lobel

Louis Valentino

Louis Valon

Lucien Piccard

Lukado

Luv & Kush

Lydia David & sons

M. Johansson

Madison

Marc & Sons

Maria Giesen

Marina Militare

Matterhorn

Medor

Meisterkrone

Meisterzeit

Michel et fils

Minoir

Moneque

MONTALE Paris

Montre Noble

Montres Allison

MZI

Newton & Sons

Nexus

Nomex

Ohsen

Olipai

Olivier Witteaux

Orkina

Oskar Emil

Ottimo

Panzer

Parnis

Pascal Hilton

Perigaum

Persopolis

Phobos

Pierre Chaubert

Pierrini

PIONIER

Pizzaro 1897

PRAETORIAN

R. U. Braun

Raschke Glashütte

Reichenbach

Rene Barton

Rhodenwald&Söhne

Richtenburg

Riedenschild

Robert Frank

Rochmont

Roebelin & Graef

Romilly

Rothenschild

Röthlin

Rover & Lakes

Royal Banker Watches

Rüttli

Sachmann & Benz

Scheffler & Soehne

SMW

Stolzenberg

SWISS CODE RED

SwissStar

Tauchmeister

TAWATEC

THEOREMA

Torgoen

Trias

Triumph

UK GERMAN DESIGN

Vandenbroeck & Cie

Wagner since 1948

Wiltenbach

Windgassen

Wührer & Sons

Yonger & Bresson

Yves Camani

and

Invicta

and now throw the stones.
 

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I would say SEA-GULL. Very fine watches for very good prices. People see "China made" as low quality. Sad but true. Its possible I will buy a SEA-GULL watch if I find a model I really like.
Among the so called WI(S), Sea-gull has very good reputation.
(I have a friend who LOVE his watch).

So, I don't know what you are talking about.
 

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In the world of watches reputation is almost everything. A watch brand can make a watch that is of fantastic quality but if they have a bad past then the consumers would probably write them off. For an example seiko has a great reputation for making great affordable reliable watches. But to the high end buyers it's not the same. Even though seiko has the grand seiko line some high end buyers still see them as seikos. Which is in a way bad for seiko because their grand seiko line is great and i believe they can compete with the best from Switzerland when it comes to quality and value. But then on the other hand you have some brands that has had a bad rep from the beginning whereas seiko has a great reputation but just doesn't get much respect from the high end watch buyers. So what brands do you guys think has the worst rep?
Seen from a WIS point of view, or the Average Joe point of view?
 

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Adleron

Aeromatic 1912

Akzent

Alado

Alpha

Alpha Saphir

Alvaro Amorosi

Anderson & Bryl

Andre Belfort

André Mouche

Anne Kramar

ANNO 1827 Hamburg

Ascari

Astroavia

Astron

Baumier

Baxx & Bloom

Belstaff

Bergmann

Bernadino

BOSCE

Bossart

Breytenbach

Buchner-Bovalier

Burgmeister

C. Melchers

Cacalla

Calvaneo

Cantani

Carlo Gallucci

Carlo Monti

Carucci

Cassini

Cavadini

Centia

Charles Conrad

Charles Delon

Charles Raymond

Charles Senard

Chenevard

Chevirex

Cimara

Claude Valentini

Compast

Constantin Durmont

Constantin Weisz

Davis

Decennis

DELMA

Denacci

DETOMASO

Diamstar

Divinus

Donati

Donati Firenze

EDEN

Eichmüller

Elysee

Emile-Frey

Engelhardt

Enzo Bellini

Estana

ETICA

Excellanc

Feinwerk

Firefox

FORESTIER & CIE

Francois-Rotier

Frederique Rothenberg

Gadison Stern

Galileo 1583

Gallucci

Gepetto

Glaswerk

Glaswerk Germany

Goer

Graf von Monte Wehro

Graf von Sponheim

Haas & Cie

Haemmer

Hamberg & Söhne

HARRY MASON

HB & Söhne

Heinrichssohn

Herzog & Söhne

Hindenberg

Hugo von Eyck

INSIGNUM

Ivens & Söhne

J.Wendenburg

Jacques Cantani

Jacques du Manoir

Jaragar

Jeane Melaine

Jean Jacot

Juwelis

Karl Breitner

Khamaro

Kings & Queens

Königswerk

Kronwerk

Krug-Baümen

L. DAVID & SONS

Laurine

Laurini

Lindberg & Goldmann

Lindberg & Sons

Linhart

Linnhoff & Lorenz

Lobor

LOEWENSTEIN

Louis Bolle

Louis Lobel

Louis Valentino

Louis Valon

Lucien Piccard

Lukado

Luv & Kush

Lydia David & sons

M. Johansson

Madison

Marc & Sons

Maria Giesen

Marina Militare

Matterhorn

Medor

Meisterkrone

Meisterzeit

Michel et fils

Minoir

Moneque

MONTALE Paris

Montre Noble

Montres Allison

MZI

Newton & Sons

Nexus

Nomex

Ohsen

Olipai

Olivier Witteaux

Orkina

Oskar Emil

Ottimo

Panzer

Parnis

Pascal Hilton

Perigaum

Persopolis

Phobos

Pierre Chaubert

Pierrini

PIONIER

Pizzaro 1897

PRAETORIAN

R. U. Braun

Raschke Glashütte

Reichenbach

Rene Barton

Rhodenwald&Söhne

Richtenburg

Riedenschild

Robert Frank

Rochmont

Roebelin & Graef

Romilly

Rothenschild

Röthlin

Rover & Lakes

Royal Banker Watches

Rüttli

Sachmann & Benz

Scheffler & Soehne

SMW

Stolzenberg

SWISS CODE RED

SwissStar

Tauchmeister

TAWATEC

THEOREMA

Torgoen

Trias

Triumph

UK GERMAN DESIGN

Vandenbroeck & Cie

Wagner since 1948

Wiltenbach

Windgassen

Wührer & Sons

Yonger & Bresson

Yves Camani

and

Invicta

and now throw the stones.
Talk about putting brands on blast!
 

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@stuffler,mike... where did that list come from?
 

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Among the so called WI(S), Sea-gull has very good reputation.
(I have a friend who LOVE his watch).

So, I don't know what you are talking about.
Yes I know but I think in general people dont see Sea Gull watches as "high quality" there are more ignorant watch buyers than the skilled ones.
 

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Yes I know but I think in general people dont see Sea Gull watches as "high quality" there are more ignorant watch buyers than the skilled ones.
I think there are difference between having "No reputation" and "Bad reputation".

You gotta have reputation to have bad reputation IMHO.

Sea-Gull has no reputation (since people won't know what brand that is - actually, Chinese people do).
 

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@stuffler,mike... where did that list come from?
I believe that is a list published by a watch magazine (or something like that) which claimed that they won't do a review of these so called "black listed" brands.
 

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Might I suggest that quoting a 7" post for a one sentence comment is somewhat gratuitous? My iPad and browser thanks you in advance. ;-)

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