Pagani Design PD-1639 - how can that price be real???

composer · Jan 3, 2020

bolts40 said:
I ordered mine on November 27. It arrived on 12/31 and I couldn't be happier. It's running +5 per day and looks great. The only issue I would look out for is this: mine arrived with ALL of the bracelet screws not screwed down tightly. Certainly would rather have a glide lock clasp but for $65 (Ebay), I'm not complaining.

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Very nice watch!

bolts40 · Jan 3, 2020

Lume shot. The lume on this Pagani Design Sub is not good. It's somewhat bright for a minute or so, then it fades, quickly. In pitch dark you can still see it for few hours but it's not bright...at all. This is the only major drawback of this watch. Again...for $65, I'll take it!

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WindyCityWatch · Jan 5, 2020

Bart.-Jeroen said:
Had a hard time choosing so I got both. Finish and detailing are just stunning at this pricepoint, they both run around +4 which is also great. Could as well be a couple of hundred bucks watch.

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The dust is not inside ;-)

Only minor downside for me: I don't like tapered bracelets, prefer straight.

I also got the two tone Blue-Gold... and I was so tempted to get the Black-Gold like you. Mine came with a misalign bezel, but hey, can't complain too much.

One other gripe that I didn't see on here yet is the 90 click bezel..... I mean, it's only an issue when timing a pizza or parking meter, but still annoying

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composer · Jan 24, 2020

What is the lug to lug distance of this watch? 43mm might be a little too large for my 6.5 in. wrist, but depending on the lug to lug distance it might work..

fyioska · Jan 25, 2020

composer said:
What is the lug to lug distance of this watch? 43mm might be a little too large for my 6.5 in. wrist, but depending on the lug to lug distance it might work..

You'll be fine, I have a slightly smaller wrist and everything under 45-46 is ok on me.

Depends how you wear them though I guess!

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popatha · Jan 25, 2020

Not bad for the price

Ipse · Feb 2, 2020

Let me be "that" guy and give you my 2 cents on this PD-1639 based on my experience.
- the botched NH35 în mine has an amplitude of 190deg only. A first in crappy autos for me
- abysmal bracelet finish, I had to flip mine to avoid seeing the 2 very poorly finished links (the last 2 close to the case)
- advertised and depicted on Aliex as "blue" dial, it's actually purple and of course not matching the bezel (nice blue)
- lume? What lume?
- not a defect, but indeed a 43mm sub like this wears big compared to the many 40-41mm I have. My bad I guess (7.25" wrist, I thought I can pull this).

Other than the nice ceramic bezel and true sapphire glass the watch is disappointing...a purchase I do regret, even for the 56$ I paid.

See below :

My conclusion? You always get what you pay for.

columela · Feb 12, 2020

Hello

I just got one of these pd 1639 watches and these are my impressions so far:
1. It is a very big watch. For my 17 cm wrist size it looks ok once I have adjusted it perfectly to stop it rattling and moving.
2. On the positives, it has a spectacular green sunburst dial, applied indices and a nice magnifying cyclops loupe. The weight is considerable.
3. As advertised the cristal is sapphire and the bezel is ceramic , with 90 clicks and a minimal way back.
4. The bracelet is of very good quality, with easy to remove screwed links. There is a divers extension and micro adjustments in the clasp.
5. The movement is a Seiko NH35a a well known and reliable machine made calibre. 21600 beats per hour. On my timegrapher has 282 degrees of amplitude , 0.1 ms of beat error. It gains 12 seconds face up, 8 seconds face down and 2 seconds at 90 degrees upright.

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Planet_Ocean_UK · Feb 13, 2020

I'm not sure whether you all know but Pagani Design is no more, they have rebranded as BERSIGAR so hold on to your PD branded watches, they may even become collectors items

Monkey_like_watch · Feb 13, 2020

Planet_Ocean_UK said:
I'm not sure whether you all know but Pagani Design is no more, they have rebranded as BERSIGAR so hold on to your PD branded watches, they may even become collectors items

"Collector's Items": LOL!

I see they are changing their name here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pagani-Automatic-Watches-Analogue-Stainless/dp/B07MMWXRCH

But PD are still readily available on AliX:
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/gr...up/MEN-WATCH/3254134_513867025.html?spm=a2g0o.store_home.pcShopHead_7583462.1_2

And Taobao:
https://s.taobao.com/search?q=伯佳尼&s_from=newHeader&ssid=s5-e&search_type=item&sourceId=tb.item

mrwomble · Feb 13, 2020

Planet_Ocean_UK said:
I'm not sure whether you all know but Pagani Design is no more, they have rebranded as BERSIGAR so hold on to your PD branded watches, they may even become collectors items

What a crap name! I far prefer Pagani Design. Not sure I'd purchase any watches called 'Burst Cigar'.

billa84 · Feb 14, 2020

hey Guys

i'm thinking of submariner homage sharkey or san martin, but how this pagani diff from those 2 considering it cost lot more cheaper than sharkey and san martin.

spec wise whey almost the same spec on all 3.

cpoliver · Feb 14, 2020

Haha, here's hoping! I don't know why these Chinese manufacturers can't figure out how to give their surprisingly good watches (for the money) a decent brand name.

Still... very happy with the Pagani Design Hulk and Daytona homages for fifty quid a pop. They don't look too out of place next to much more premium pieces (and guess which one has the correct time?

).

Chascomm · Feb 14, 2020

mrwomble said:
What a crap name! I far prefer Pagani Design. Not sure I'd purchase any watches called 'Burst Cigar'.

I see your point. This is a brand that specialises in cookie-cutter homages, so a name that recalls both 'Pagani' and 'Porsche Design' is perfectly appropriate. :-d

:think: Does this mean that Bersigar are going to experiment with <gasp!> … original designs?

crAss · Feb 14, 2020

billa84 said:
hey Guys

i'm thinking of submariner homage sharkey or san martin, but how this pagani diff from those 2 considering it cost lot more cheaper than sharkey and san martin.

spec wise whey almost the same spec on all 3.

I personally haven't tested the water resistant of the pagani. If it proves good enough for surface swimming with the occasional fun diver at 3-5 meters then it would all be about design.

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columela · Feb 14, 2020

cpoliver said:
Haha, here's hoping! I don't know why these Chinese manufacturers can't figure out how to give their surprisingly good watches (for the money) a decent brand name.

Still... very happy with the Pagani Design Hulk and Daytona homages for fifty quid a pop. They don't look too out of place next to much more premium pieces (and guess which one has the correct time? ).

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Your picture is very revealing of the quality of the homage watches compared to the expensive ones. It is quite a significant development which might herald a radical change in how watches are perceived

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seadial · Feb 17, 2020

I think the Pagani Design watches are great (for the money), especially their bulky stainless steel models with extra crowns, but when I go diving I wear my Seiko's as I don't think any of the Pagani watches are more than 3 atm watches, which is Chinese jargon for splash proof. Anything with a leather band on it is not going into the water in any case and with watches going over my wetsuit cuff I need the long tropic straps of a real dive watch.

Here are the specs for the watch where they qualify what the water resistance is, in red, now a true 100 m would be more than that, so "100 m" is probably just a decoration. Whether a 100 m capability is possible would depend on how the watch is constructed and the attention to detail in assembling it.

Ed.YANG · Feb 20, 2020

crAss said:
I got into Chinese watches mainly because I thought the price in comparison with the offering was really good. And now I got across this watch. I bought it in an impulse for 54.86 euro from Ali (amazon UK price is around 110 euros) and this price includes:
- Seiko NH35 automatic movement (I saw a listing with a miyota movement as well)
Note that some very cheap DG movements have their balance wheel in the same position as Seiko... in 9 o'clock with crown directly opposite @ 3
- 316 stainless steel case
Some cheap makes do have rust proof case, but is it surgical grade? Does the price really reflect so?:-d
- Ceramic bezel insert
with some polishing work on the molding cavity surface, and good selection of material type, a PolyCarbonate bezel insert with very less chance of shrinkage over times, will fool you as ceramic!
- Solid links/solid endlinks
there are really some cheap makes i saw with solid links... but how long can those lasts with salt water or even our salty fatty wrist sweats... hard to determine
- Sapphire crystal
really sapphire? again a pinch of salt or... pepper
- 10 Atm water resistance (at least another member in the Aliexpress thread says he has swam a couple of times in a pool with no troubles - I want the water resistance for surface swimming and this seems to be capable of that).
Quality control can always be a challenge with these cheap watches. During the assembly process, the O-Ring for the case back, or the crown can be both missed, or partially missed, or weaken or loose. How much watches in a process can be assembled in a given specific time/day is far more important. If a buyer is blessed, a well sealed cheap watch can still work after he/she swims an olympic sized pool. If not blessed, just a simple hand wash will kill the piece of time telling junk.......

There are Chinese automatics that are priced wayyy below most people expectations. However i would take those as with a pinch of salt...in blue.

Chascomm · Feb 21, 2020

Seiko NH35 automatic movement (I saw a listing with a miyota movement as well)
Note that some very cheap DG movements have their balance wheel in the same position as Seiko... in 9 o'clock with crown directly opposite @ 3

Can you provide comparison photos? I am not aware of 'DG' making a movement that resembles a Seiko movement. There are certainly two or three other makers (Hangzhou Watch Co is one of them) that make movements in the Seiko style, but they are easily distinguished by not having 'Seiko' or 'SII' stamped on them.

Ed.YANG · Feb 21, 2020

Bridge design and balance wheel design may not necessarily the same.
However the lay out...

From front, it's enough to fool non-WIS that this watch packs a "Japanese Engineered" China movement.

One folks tries to look deeper,

Where this is a DG2350 or some other variant number without the date function

vs

SEIKO NH36

Pagani Design PD-1639 - how can that price be real???

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Ipse

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cpoliver

Chascomm

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columela

seadial

Ed.YANG

Chascomm

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