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Citizen NY0040-09W Luminous Dial Diver - You may not know you want one...yet!

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This thread is dedicated to the Citizen NY0040-09W ("09W") luminous dial automatic diver. I want to draw attention to this particular model and hope to see postings from others who also enjoy this unique watch.

For those unfamiliar with the NY0040 line of divers, it has been around for some time, introduced originally in 1997. I think it is fair to say that it does not get a lot of attention nowadays. It is a conventional sized diver with a vintage look. Here is a summary of the key features that I have been able to glean:

  • Miyota 8203a Automatic Movement - Non-hacking, hand windable, 21 Jewels, 43 hour reserve, uni-directional auto wind with day/date complication. From what I have read, it is a very robust and reliable movement.
  • Case - 41.5mm diameter, 44mm with crown, 13mm thick, 47mm lug-to-lug tip, 20mm lug width (all my measurements)
  • 200M water resistance - ISO diver certified for scuba. The watch has been used by different military agencies and has been reportedly pressure tested to 500M without failure.
  • Screw down crown at 8 o'clock
  • Bezel - 60 click uni-directional with luminous pip
  • Crystal - There is no mention on the case back so assume it is mineral glass (to be expected at this price). However, the surface is slightly recessed below the edge of bezel for protection.
  • Excellent lume - will last thru the night but there are caveats
  • Available in several dial and bezel colors though becoming more limited
Personally, I have never really given the NY0040 any consideration other than as a passing curiosity when it is mentioned in other threads. I admit that I am relatively new to watch collecting and have been focused upon Seiko and its subsidiary Orient, which up to now, I feel set the standard for affordable quality auto divers. However, that changed after a NY0040 deal was posted recently in the "Affordable Watches" forum. What got my attention was a posting by one particular forum member, "shmaiz3r", who I enjoy following. He wrote that the 09W:

"...is a daily wearer for me on a thick brushed engineer bracelet.,, And I love it to bits." and "... Watch in question is in my avatar. It's no surprise I'm passionate about this model ;) ".

That's a pretty strong statement, and for the first time, I looked closely at his avatar. In that moment, it was as if the planets started to align. After doing a little research, I became hooked. Even though I have way too many divers (my special addiction), the purchase was easily rationalized due to the relatively low investment ($125 delivered) and the opportunity to add a luminous dial watch to my collection. Also, there have been rumors circulating that Citizen is dropping the NY0040 line so no time to delay...at least that's what I told myself.

I have had the watch for one week now and my enthusiasm is undiminished. I wanted something different and the 09W definitely meets that criteria. The watch is truly striking without going over the top. Build quality and fit/finish is very good for this price point from a major watch maker. (Note: As I continue to collect watches, my respect deepens for watch makers, especially those that make their own movements, as opposed to "brands" that are merely in the watch business, i.e., outsourcing manufacture, and sometimes even service/support.)

I like watches that are subtly different, the type that draw you in initially and can continue to hold your interest when you begin to appreciate how well the design was thought out. The 09W is a prime example. When you first glance at the watch, you immediately recognize it is "different" but doesn't hit you all at once. Then, as you look closer, you realize there is a lot going on here. I think the designer carefully walked the line between subtle and bold. It is a very deliberate design that operates on two levels, giving the watch a split personality.

Under normal lighting, the designer opted for a "reversed" look on the watch using a combination of solid black dots and slate grey outlined hour markers to contrast the off white / greenish tint of the dial. This theme is extended to the slate grey outline of the lumed hands. The printing on the dial and chapter ring is all black except for the very small Promaster insignia and "200M" which are red. The overall effect gives an almost eerie ghostly appearance.

However, turn off the lights and the NY0040-09W's other personality emerges. When fully charged, the luminous dial and hands glow brightly in the dark reminding me of a small green lantern. It just beams!

In addition, I am amazed at the accuracy. The watch has varied from +/- 1-3 SPD but at the end of one week, it is dead on accurate to the second! That is a level of accuracy that exceeds many quartz watches. I don't know how long that will last but, for now, it is truly remarkable.

Even if the timekeeping was less than stellar, at this writing, I feel this is a watch that I will always keep. It has that intangible factor for me. I would go so far as to say that I think the 09W could become a classic if it received more attention.

All is not perfect, though. The lume on both the dial and hands will last through the night but for someone like me who wears glasses, it becomes almost unusable. After a few hours, the lume between the dial and hands become rather muddled together, making it difficult to read the time in the wee hours unless you have excellent vision, but who does at 4am???

The day/date is difficult to read except under good lighting. The background is black with silver lettering. I am assuming this choice was made to be consistent with the overall look rather than to enhance the functional readability.

Another problem, at least for me, the watch appears to only be offered on rubber strap. Finding a suitable bracelet at a reasonable price is not simple. You can still source through ebay both Citizen OEM folded link and solid link versions but, IMO, they are relatively expensive for what is provided. Fortunately, this is not one of those Citizen cases that is overly problematic. There is sufficient clearance between the case and spring bars that will work with many 3rd party bracelets with straight end pieces. For the present, I have swapped out the rubber strap for a budget stainless bracelet while I look for other reasonably priced options.

As you can tell by now, like the earlier poster, I too have become passionate about this watch. Indeed, I finally put up an avatar, and sure enough, it is an 09W lume shot that I captured. If you also like this watch and want to "join the club", please feel free to copy the image and use it as your avatar, too.

One final thought, if others agree, I would like to propose we come up with a name for the 09W and would welcome suggestions. After all, there are Seiko "Monsters", Orient "OSD", Omega "Speedys" and the like. Based upon my earlier comments, here are my two suggestions: the "Ghost Diver" or perhaps, the "Green Lantern". I don't know how to set up a poll, but if there is sufficient interest, I will go research, or better yet, ask that another fan set one up.

One other unexpected result from my encounter with the 09W, I have started looking at other Citizen NYXXXX divers. I still like my Seikos and Orients, but see these Citizens as quality watches that deserve to be in everyone's collection. What an underappreciated example of the classic no-frills all-business rugged auto diver. I hope Citizen continues to build this line of watches for a long time.

In closing, I hope you have enjoyed reading this and will post your thoughts and photos, too.








 
#10 ·
I've always wanted one but the lack of hacking is keeping me away from getting one, and I don't know when I will really wear it due to having to fight with higher end micros. How is the lume vs Seiko? I've had a full lume Mako XL and it was pretty cool when first charged but after about 30 mins its pretty useless.
 
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Hacking is a nice feature but it is not on my "must have" criteria when considering an automatic at this price, and if put into proper perspective, really has limited value when working with automatics. My point is, if setting/maintaining the exact time to the second is important, then why even bother with an automatic movement, whether it allows hacking or not. When knowing the exact time is critical, then I'm pulling out one of my Citizen A-T watches (my other watch addiction).

Regarding the lume, as stated in the earlier post, it is a mixed bag. From what I've read, the lume on the hands is SuperLuminova C3 (same as Seiko LumiBrite, all Nemoto, just different branding). I don't know the specifics on the lume within the dial face but both will last thru the night. However, the combined lume is of limited value after awhile because it is difficult to distinguish between the hands and dial face. If night performance is critical, then I would opt for a conventional black dial, or better yet, Seiko Monster Gen 2...game, set, match.

Saying all that completely misses the point. The 09W, taken as a whole, is a unique watch. It is very apparent that the designer of this specific NY0040 iteration spent a fair amount of time considering the different options and definitely thinking "outside the box" when putting the 09W together to create a certain "look". This is not your typical diver but something different.
 
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.. Really thorough write up and beautiful photos.

It should be known that this watch has a rather vintage but rugged movement that is doomed to be replaced in the near future, and CITIZEN has stopped producing similar models gradually in time, therefore, we must bring attention to this classical promaster line.

I'd like to respectfully share some writings I've made about this particular watch on another thread. Note that I've been wearing it for two and a half years and have been enjoying it like no other watch in my collection [at least once a week]. I should also note that it's my absolute favorite in my collection.

Here's what I wrote, hopefully it'll be of use to whoever is on the fence on getting it:

Citizen fully dial lume NY0040-09W

I've been wearing it at least once a week for 2 and a half years.
Lume is mesmerizing.. I'd say it could stay readable for at least 7 hours in darkness... after that it gets confusing, because both the dial and the hands lume is very good but after time they get mixed up.

To give an example, when I sleep say at 7pm I wake up at 4am and could tell the hour but not the minutes...
The lume in this model is purposed somewhere inbetween practice and novelty.. It gives the watch a new shade of dimmed green whenever you look at it indoors. Some modders take out the hands and paint them black, but I wouldn't do that... It takes the exotic spirit away from the watch.

I'm almost certain that the lume quality "on the hands" is on par with Seiko's.. But the design makes Citizen's lume too vague after say 9hrs.

I think the watch feels like a 41.5mm watch.. It wears smaller than the SKX007 just a bit, maybe it's the crown location that gives that feeling.
I am super sensitive when it comes to case shape and comfort. I've opt out of wearing a lot of watches due to lug2lug width and crown discomfort, but this watch sits on your wrist like a button on a shirt.. You just know it's there but you don't feel the pressure at all. It has a good weight, which is why I like it on a thick bracelet that makes it feel like wearing just a steel bracelet. So if you're going the bracelet route, I recommend a solid one to complement the weight.

I haven't measured the power reserve, but I'm pretty sure it lasts over 35 hours since I hasn't noticed any shortness in energy when switching from modern movement watches daily.

Accuracy is very good... I'd say +- 10 seconds.. What makes me like "my watch" is that it appears to deliver great accuracy even when it's energy is below half.
Some watches would go crazy [+-25 seconds] when you wear them on and off during the week while keeping power below half full.. My watch doesn't care lol. I honestly don't know if this is the movement behavior or I just got lucky with mine.

Dial face always has some green in it, so not yellow as in ripe banana yellow... I'd describe it to be milky green when the lume burst calms when indoors. However, the dial continually changes shades of milky green to grayish bland green, while obviously not appearing too sporty AT ALL. It's one of the watches that could fit any personality and still look subtly exotic.

If you are a lume freak you will love it, but if you want a 100% practical functioning lume get the black dialed version.

I think the SKX007 is an EXCELLENT watch, but this the NY0040 scores higher in my opinion. This is strictly dial only statement, since SKX007 bracelet gives it better value easily. Then again there's a price difference of ~$30.. And the rubber band is also top notch especially after you wipe out the diving chart from it "using nail polish remover".

Don't forget that this model has been continually produced for over 18 years and has been the official Italian marines watch for ~10 years.
Believe it or not, good Citizen divers are vanishing from market even while been in demand,, even in this day of modern marketing!

I've been trying to find a decently priced original black bezeled NY2300 for two years now... Only Pepsi bezel and night blue dial is in market, BLACK is a rarity to find, and if found, it's up for double the price.
They were sold for $115 for the longest time and I kept ignoring them until I made the purchase of the fully-lumed NY0040 and was astonished by its level of perfection and decided to get the little brother "NY2300", but alas...

Sadly to this day, you can't find it for less than $250 as old stock.. A price I cannot bring myself to accept, because I witnessed the days when it was less than half of it and I ignored it.
And guess what, colored NY2300 is still selling for less than $125.. Which drives me crazy... This has been happening for two years.. TWO YEARS!

The fully lumed NY0040 "which I gotten from Skywatches btw" is a daily wearer for me on a thick brushed engineer bracelet.,, And I love it to bits. It uses an old movement that takes longer time to wind, which is why Citizen might simply stop producing it at any time... So if you like one of the NY models, trust me, time is not on your side.

Note: Watch in question is in my avatar. It's no surprise I'm passionate about this model ;)
Lastly, here's the watch on an engineer bracelet:


Watch/bracelet album link:
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Once the Y-Fronts/Underpants/Jockeys had been pointed out to me, I don't think I could get past it. 'Once it has been seen, it cannot be unseen'
Funny, I had not "seen" that. Previously, when looking at the lume shots, especially on the small avatar, I saw a stylized heart shape. But now that you pointed this out, it only confirms my original comments,

"...When you first glance at the watch, you immediately recognize it is "different" but doesn't hit you all at once. Then, as you look closer, you realize there is a lot going on here. I think the designer carefully walked the line between subtle and bold. It is a very deliberate design that operates on two levels, giving the watch a split personality."

Thank you for this new revelation. It only deepens my appreciation of the 09W. I can certainly "get past" it. Quite the contrary, the 09W now gives me another reason to smile because what I see are "Women's Hi Cut Briefs"!
 
#20 ·
That was a great write up! I agree it's a terrific watch for the price. I have one and like it a lot, but if I was Citizen I would have done something other than lume the hands w/ the lumed background, and also the crown at the 7:00 position honestly feels a bit awkward to me. Other than those two minor criticisms I'd say it's certainly a strong competitor in the budget big brand category.
 
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Thank you for your kind words. I would agree with your comments regarding the lume on the hands if the intention was only to deliver another functional NY0040 diver. But, I think with this particular model the designer was soley working towards an aesthetic goal.

The readablity of the watch, both daylight and night, would be improved dramatically by simply making the hands a solid black. But doing that, throws off the overall balance of the design. Combined with the solid black dot hour markers, I think soiid hands would dominate the watch face and make it look heavy. Using the lumed skeleton hands, the designer ties in and complements the silhouetted markers at the 6, 9 and 12 postions, achieving a more coherent and visually interesting look. Furthermore, by using the same color lume, the designer maintains the eerie, almost ghost like, appearance.

As stated in another post, I am convinced the designer was very deliberate when putting the 09W together. This is not your typical diver but something different.
 
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Well I'll check in with mine I got a couple weeks ago from skywatches. Mine came slightly misaligned (chapter ring and bezel) and I wrote in some other threads about this so I'll just briefly comment on things I've noticed the past couple weeks. At its price, it's expected and I can deal with it (it wasn't as bad as my skx007 from Rakuten....).

I love this watch! All my other watches are black dialed or black gshocks so this purchase was quite adventurous for me. What drew me was its visual distinctiveness but also it's size. I have a skx007 and a 6309 which are fine but I find them to be a little thick for my 6.75 wrist (more so for the 007). This watch for me is the perfect fit, diameter wise and l2l and thickness. I had it on a nato for a bit and found that it wore too high, put it on a distressed leather (bomber from strappedfortime) and now it's just right. Been thinking about bracelet options as there's an aftermarket one on the bay for $30 but I'm still not sure. I saw a photo of someone who fashioned a Jubilee bracelet on theirs by grinding the end links and it looked awesome (maybe I'll find it and post it later). I've also been thinking about modding the hands to black outlined sword hands, but still on the fence since it's such a cohesive package. Only mods I can find are pretty ugly (I'll find them for later). Anyhow, nothing but good things to say about this one, here's some pictures of mine.

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Awesome pics! Thanks for sharing, everyone!

I have a feeling I'll pick one of these up eventually, but I already have a black dial Citizen Eco-Drive Promaster Marine AKA "Prime" (for the 12 o'clock indices's resemblance to the Optimus Prime logo) and a couple other divers to hold me over for a while. I've always wanted an automatic from Citizen though, so I'll probably find an excuse to buy one of these soon, haha. Yet there's part of me that wants the blue dial Eco-Drive Promaster Marine too. :-d

It looks to me like the "NY" dive watch actually looks better on a strap than a bracelet, which will be a nice change for me since I tend to buy watches on bracelets, but that's just my $0.02 anyway.

The great pics you all took make it tough to resist buying one!

Pic of my Eco-Drive Promaster Marine for those of you who are curious:

Model #: BN0150-61E - it's hard to find this one in stock with the OEM bracelet for some reason, which is a shame because the OEM bracelet is REALLY nice with a diver's extension and everything

Anyway, sorry to de-rail a bit, but generally speaking: I think Citizen's divers are underrated and often overshadowed by the likes of Seiko and Orient. That's not to say that Seiko or Orient divers are bad by any stretch (my other two divers are a blue dial Orient Ray and white dial Mako USA), but Citizen makes some REALLY neat, high quality, and capable divers that really deserve a look by any dive watch enthusiast.
 
#33 ·
Awesome pics! Thanks for sharing, everyone!

I have a feeling I'll pick one of these up eventually, but I already have a black dial Citizen Eco-Drive Promaster Marine AKA "Prime" (for the 12 o'clock indices's resemblance to the Optimus Prime logo) and a couple other divers to hold me over for a while. I've always wanted an automatic from Citizen though, so I'll probably find an excuse to buy one of these soon, haha. Yet there's part of me that wants the blue dial Eco-Drive Promaster Marine too. :-d

It looks to me like the "NY" dive watch actually looks better on a strap than a bracelet, which will be a nice change for me since I tend to buy watches on bracelets, but that's just my $0.02 anyway.

The great pics you all took make it tough to resist buying one!

Pic of my Eco-Drive Promaster Marine for those of you who are curious:
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Model #: BN0150-61E - it's hard to find this one in stock with the OEM bracelet for some reason, which is a shame because the OEM bracelet is REALLY nice with a diver's extension and everything

Anyway, sorry to de-rail a bit, but generally speaking: I think Citizen's divers are underrated and often overshadowed by the likes of Seiko and Orient. That's not to say that Seiko or Orient divers are bad by any stretch (my other two divers are a blue dial Orient Ray and white dial Mako USA), but Citizen makes some REALLY neat, high quality, and capable divers that really deserve a look by any dive watch enthusiast.
Thank you for posting! I now understand why the BN0150/BN0151 is called the "Prime". I thought it was because fans thought it was the best as in "Prime Time". I would have never made the connection with the Transformers.

I see that you are considering the BN0151-09L blue dial version. I have one and would like to share a couple of observations. I like it a lot though always felt let down for some reason that I couldn't put my finger on but recently had an insight which I think is relevant given your current collection.

One of my first divers that I bought was the Orient Mako "Pepsi". I really like this watch, so much so, it is still in my daily rotation (even wearing as I write this). And you are probably wondering, where is this going?

Here's the point. With the exception of the numeric / baton indices and bezel insert, it is essentially the same blue dial diver as your Orient Ray. And, what a beautiful blue diver it is! As you know, that dial face is a deep rich blue that becomes dazzling in bright light, especially under direct sun. In addition, Orient uses a thick deep blue enamel-like paint on the bezel insert which further sets off the dial.

Which I believe lead to my tepid reaction to the BN0151-09L. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking the the Citizen but it has always seemed somehow flat. What I hadn't realized was that the Orient had become my standard when considering blue dial divers.

To prove the point, during last year's BF deals, I picked up a Seiko SKX009, a watch that I had long wanted. My thinking was that that I would sell the Orient Mako because I would now have "THE PEPSI DIVER" to own. Well, I like the SKX009 a lot, just as I like the BN0151-09L, but, it didn't completely win me over. I could't bring myself to sell the Mako. In fact, I usually prefer to wear the Mako over the Seiko even though the SKX009 is considered a classic . Again, not talking the Seiko down, it is an icon unto itself but IMO, the Mako is a nicer looking watch.

To wrap this up AND to get back OT, what I'm saying is that you already own one of the most beautiful and classy affordable blue divers available. You may want to consider something completely diffferent, or even "adventurous" as onomato would say...
 
#34 ·
I think this is a fantastic dive watch that is under rated by too many. I owned one and sold it because of the less than desirable lume. I need great lume on all my watches and this one did not deliver. The black dialed version has the traditional, incredibly good Citizen luminescence. The problem with the lume not being legible after some time is not only on this lume dialed watch. That happens on any and every lume dialed watch regardless of price or claimed quality. They never use enough luminous material on any dial and it seems that when you get a lume dialed watch, you also get "not so great" lume on the hands. As a bonafide lume freak, I have given up on lume dial watches because none of them last throughout the night. I do like this watch enough to get another one and just change watches when I need lume all night long. That bracelet version looks like a must have.
 
#35 ·
If you read thru the thread, the functional usability of the lume has been discussed several times. I don't know that the lume on the hands is "not so great", it just gets lost against the dial face after awhile. I believe the designer was working towards a different goal with the 09W rather than merely putting together yet another functional diver. If you look at the other NYXXXX series or other divers in Citizen's line, they definitely know what is required for a diver. I am pretty much a "lume freak" also, but I'm more than willing to accept (and embrace!) this watch because it is so unique.
 
#36 ·
Mine is coming any day this week and I am going a little nuts thinking about it. I don't know what kind of strap I want to get for it, the dial seems really hard to match. I want to get a NATO or rubber (something other than the accordion-ish strap it comes with), but I am having a hard time figuring out color. Gonna have to wait until I have it on my wrist to decide I think.
 
#39 ·
It is still available from Skywatches (Singapore). The price fluctuates slightly, currently at $122 USD for regular delivery without a watch box. That is $3 less than I paid about 4 weeks ago. It was delivered in a brown box, about 1.5" x 5", packed in bubble wrap. Took two weeks for delivery to central FL. You can order with a watch box and expedited delivery but costs more. Here is the link: NY0040 NY0040-09WB Citizen Promaster Automatic 200m Divers Watch.

BTW the conventional black dial version is $121. I thought about picking that up also but I already have several black dial divers so haven't pulled the trigger on that.
 
#43 ·
Just a quick update regarding accuracy. After calibrating to the NIST US Time on 2/14, this watch has lost a total of 3 seconds over 18 days...

That is a true statement but a little misleading. The watch had been varying from +/- 1-3 SPD. However, when I checked it on Monday, it had lost around 12 seconds after nearly two days of minimal wear and no winding. I was concerned it had suddenly gone bad but after giving it some needed wear and winding, it seems to have settled into a pattern of gaining 2-3 SPD. It appears the power reserve had become very low and started to affect the accuracy. I am impressed with the 8203a movement.
 
#44 ·
FINALLY came, I was bugging the heck out of the receptionist every day to see if the mail came and it finally did! Here it is, along with the packing peanuts it was in, instead of an outer box. I guess that helped save with shipping from Singapore, and at least I got the instruction and signed warranty book.

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So far I am impressed! I think I actually kind of like the OEM rubber! Will have to give it a good few days of wear to see how it really feels but so far so good. The N.D. Limits table is kinda nerdy which I like. Metal buckle signed with the Promaster logo, very cool. Two floating keepers is new to me but cool.

Love the overall quality of the case, especially the entirely polished underside. It is a great size too. Big, but not too big, just right for my 6.5" wrist. I don't want to pull the crown until the date is done changing so can't say how that feels.

Dial is cooool! I love how the black contrasts so well. Really jumps out. Stormy day out today so dunno how much I will get to charge this guy up before tonight but we'll see. Chapter ring looks aligned. I am used to the 120-click bezel on my Mako USA, so this 60-click bezel was kind of a surprise, but it feels solid and clicks accurately on the minute markers. The finish of the bezel is exceptional, the lume pip appears recessed under a flush clear cover.

I was not expecting a Mandarin date wheel! Hopefully it is bilingual.
 
#45 ·
FINALLY came, I was bugging the heck out of the receptionist every day to see if the mail came and it finally did! Here it is, along with the packing peanuts it was in, instead of an outer box. I guess that helped save with shipping from Singapore, and at least I got the instruction and signed warranty book.
Congratulations! Welcome to the "Club".

Glad you finally rec'd and are enjoying it. Your photo didn't come thru so you may want to retry that. Understand there is some bug within the forum but if you "Go Advance", it will then insert properly.
 
#46 ·
Give this another shot here...



I noticed in pictures how the lume on the hands is just just ever so slightly off from the lume on the dial, and was worried about that, but having used it for the past few day I like how it helps with visibility.

I've slept with this a night ago, it's very comfortable. I might want to try an Isofrane but so far I like the OEM rubber.
 
#47 ·
Give this another shot here...

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I noticed in pictures how the lume on the hands is just just ever so slightly off from the lume on the dial, and was worried about that, but having used it for the past few day I like how it helps with visibility.

I've slept with this a night ago, it's very comfortable. I might want to try an Isofrane but so far I like the OEM rubber.
It look's great! I may switch mine back to rubber, a clean "all business" look.

One unexpected side benefit for me. I have an unfulfilled desire for a yellow automatic diver. Keep thinking about Seiko SKXA35 but just can't justify ponying up the $50 or so premium over standard SKX007 just because the dial is yellow. The 09W may not be true canary yellow but kind of gets me there...at least until I find a deal on the SKXA35.

I am still more than pleased with mine. It is in my daily rotation.