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Clrclip/E-clip size info - reinstallation and necessity questions

6.9K views 13 replies 7 participants last post by  Kev55  
#1 ·
So...I went there. I took the plunge of attempting a button removal and replacement on a 5600E parts case. I wanted to get some practice in for proficiency before I attempt one for real. I did some research and found some great tips, such as the use of a plastic bag to work in to contain the small parts if they went flying, the use of silicone grease to help prevent same, magnetized mini screwdrivers. The button disassembly, gasket lubrication and reinsertion of the button went decently, but there's the clip issue. I still managed to lose one clip due to the sin of removing the case from the bag to examine it...and I had to start tinkering. I was promptly punished for that little indiscretion.

Be that as it may, if I'm going to do this as part of any restoration, I'm thinking I'm going to need to source some spares. Pacparts doesn't have them in stock presently, but 50 cents a piece can get real expensive, real quick. Does anyone happen to know what size these clips are? I've found parts sources which carry them from 1.5mm up to 4mm in size; I'm thinking they're closer to the 1.5mm size, but if anyone knows what size they are, I'd be most appreciative of the info.

Secondly, how hard should reinstallation be, and how much effort should it take? I tried for the better part of several hours over the course of a couple of days and I can't seem to get them to clip back on around the groove. I tried quite a bit of pressure, but something that small shouldn't take that much pressure if everything's right. I can get it to the point of sitting into the groove, but it tries to clip in crooked or sideways when I go to seat it. It won't stay clipped, however, and ends up falling back off when I spin it around the shaft to check for proper fitting. It almost seems like the clip is stretching out when I remove it, but given how small it is, I'm not sure.

Third, how necessary is lubricating the button gaskets? It seems like a lot of work for such a relatively small part, and I'm wondering if there's an alternative method, such as some form of liquid silicone lubricant injected just under the button head to reach the gaskets. Both gaskets live outside of the case just before the small opening for the button shaft, so my thinking would be that introducing lubrication from the outside and inside via the button shaft could be a viable alternative to reach both gaskets.

This thread is likely a rehash of questions asked and answered previously, although I couldn't find an answer for the clip size, but I'd like it to be if nothing else a one stop for answers on this subject.
 
#2 ·
i don't have any answers for you except my simillar experience with circlips on Parker mechanical pencils - i reckon they're made to turn your hair prematurely grey. I'll be looking closely for any half decent answers - would love to change a few buttons on some modded 6900s.
 
#4 ·
I have a couple of 5600E junk cases for the purpose of parts and tinkering. It would seem that from Pacparts references, Casio uses the same little clip on most of their pushers, so any parts watch for that purpose would do for clips. Even still, buying parts watches can get expensive. I may end up buying an assortment pack from a watch supply place and seeing what fits. Believe me, I'd hate myself tenfold if I tried this on, say my 5000c, and had this happen. I'd like to find the information about the sizing and reinstallation/necessity not just for my benefit, but for others as well. It seems like I'm missing out on something simple where the reinstallation is concerned, but I just can't quite put my finger on it.
 
#5 ·
While it is not a necessity, I have found the tool pictured below to be immensely helpful when both removing and installing E clips. It eliminates the need for the plastic bag method when removing the clips because it firmly grasps them, and it positions the clips perfectly for re-installation, making the process much easier imo. I picked mine up on the bay, but I don't see any available at the moment. With some luck and persistence you might be able to track one down. Definitely worth the $40 or so I spent on it.

 
#6 ·
@Knives and Lint - I saw that tool on one of yours and LUW's threads regarding the button clips. It's looking like it's the way to go for these sorts of projects; I may have to do a couple of restorations to help justify and pay for it, but that's not so bad is it?

Would you have any comments on how necessary the job of lubricating the button gaskets is for either maintenance or restoration, or an idea as to the size of the clips?
 
#7 ·
there is a tool for E-clip that a member TixTox or something posted a while back / I have a few donors Gshocks laying around so I don't worry about losing Eclip

reinstall is always harder than taking it off, you need to have good eyes or invest in some kind of watch-maker's glasses / more me, it's hit or miss kindda thing, and I believe practice makes perfect and depends on luck

I have pulled out some buttons before, more than 10 years old gaskets still look good to me, if I ain't removing the button, I definitely not going to worry about the lubricating job
 
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#9 ·
for my old eyes this is "a nightmare at 10 paces". Just for mods generally though, i use a cheap magnified headlamp from china - $8 shipped (don't know how they do it) and for me it is an absolute godsend.
 
#11 ·
I actually have one of those big magnifier lamps from my days of working in electronics; I may have to go dig it out of storage now. They're a bear to get set just right over your work sometimes; if you get the angle wrong, it ends up badly blurred.