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Does the NOMOS Swing System offer any advantage?

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#1 ·
I'm currently in the market to purchase a NOMOS Metro and I've been reading up on their "Swing System." As far as I know, this just refers to an in-house escapement. Does anyone know if this offers any advantage to a traditional escapement? For example, less maintenance, better accuracy etc.? Love to know what you guys think!
 
#2 ·
Bragging rights. Later on more control of the manufacture of it. Right now I see it like I see new operating systems. Wait and buy later.

If something where to go wrong with it, naturally they would fix it right away. Good service, Nomos.
 
#7 ·
You get to pay for the privilege of being a beta tester.
 
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Although the design of the components is not different, Nomos has fairly recently begun to imply a performance advantage to the parts. We had initially taken their silence on the matter to mean that these performed identically, but that they were more of an achievement in terms of business and in terms of their ability to create all-new movements more easily (which they immediately did with the DUW 3001).

To quote Nomos:

DUW 3001 is chronometer-capable, you say. Does that mean that the neomatik watches are chronometers?

No. But they could be. DUW 3001 ticks with swing, the proprietary escapement from NOMOS GlashĂĽtte-and is also incredibly accurate because of it. NOMOS calibers with the NOMOS swing system achieved top results in chronometer tests from the get-go.

And:

BEST PERFORMANCE: CALIBERS EQUIPPED WITH THE IN-HOUSE NOMOS SWING SYSTEM ACHIEVE EXCELLENT RESULTS FROM THE GET GO

Referencing a 90% pass rate in German chronometer testing.

These claims merely imply that accuracy has been improved by the escapement, rather than outright stating it. Their early silence, and relative reluctance today, may have been necessary to keep demand maximized for the vast majority of Nomoses at the time the swing system was released since they had the original escapement. Now that much of those have been phased out and now carry the swing system, Nomos can be a little more free with their marketing. That's just speculation though.

Why might it be more accurate? Well, given that the design is almost certainly virtually identical to the original (as a matter of necessity), it's probably not a design difference. If it is indeed "better" than the predecessor, it's probably due to extremely tight tolerances.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Count me as part of the group who just doesn't get Nomos. I want to like them but sadly I find there designs too simple and repetitive. It seems to me anyway that at its core it's nearly the same watch just dressed slightly different. Kinda like these guys.

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I just don't get the Omegas, Rolexes and Breitling group. With all the flash and shiny parts, funky writing everywhere, branding like redbull and general peacock look. I don't put red and yellow feathers in my suits button holes either.

Understated style is so much cooler. :)

(to be taken with a grain of salt)
 
#17 ·
My take is it does not differ that much from other escapements. The big difference is that all parts are made inhouse at the Nomos premises to make No os independent from Swatch Group.
So, what NOMOS manifested its independence from Nivarox/Swatch Geoup in the first place. And to quote Mr. Schwertner: “The hardest part is not to make a spring, but to make the whole system work together.” So, they did not optimize an existing swiss system they constructed a completely new one and that's why Nomos needed the technical expertise of the Dresden University to get the system work together flawlessly; the spring has always been a Made in Germany product and still is, made by Carl Haas.
The precision and the speed of movement, behavior, and thus the whole movement depends crucially on the new components. The technical specs may differ but not the technique as such.

There has been much more posted on WUS regarding the Swing System, just do a search, especially on the German Watches Forum ;-)
 
#23 ·
Again: My take is it does not differ that much from other escapements. The big difference is that all parts are made inhouse at the Nomos premises to make Nomos independent from Swatch Group.
So, what NOMOS manifested its independence from Nivarox/Swatch Geoup in the first place. And to quote Mr. Schwertner: "The hardest part is not to make a spring, but to make the whole system work together." So, they did not optimize an existing swiss system they constructed a completely new one and that's why Nomos needed the technical expertise of the Dresden University to get the system work together flawlessly; the spring has always been a Made in Germany product and still is, made by Carl Haas.
The precision and the speed of movement, behavior, and thus the whole movement depends crucially on the new components. The technical specs may differ but not the technique as such.

There has been much more posted on WUS regarding the Swing System, just do a search, especially on the German Watches Forum
 
#24 · (Edited)
Regarding the 21.6K v. 28.8K debate, it really comes down to what you value more: theoretical increase in stability of timekeeping against gravitational forces or theoretical increase in durability and longevity. I value the latter over the former. If I could design my own dream watch I'd have it beat at 21.6K or maybe even 19.8K. Just my personal preference.

Aesthetically, I actually prefer slower-beat movements. I think this is just nostalgia for being able to better see the "tick-tock" of the escapement that people associate with mechanical timepieces. I had an 80's Rolex 5513 which beats at 19.8K and that seconds hand was just a pleasure to watch.

FWIW, between my Nomos Ahoi (21.6), Tudor Pelagos (28.8), and Tudor 79090 (28.8), the Nomos is the most accurate. Not sure which one is more stable, which is where beat rate comes in, but I haven't noticed a difference between the three (btw, these watches consistently run +1, +3, and -3 per day, respectively).