The ETA is measurably better than the NH35 in several aspects.
Beat rate, accuracy, thickness are the first few that come to mind. However, i'm not sure it's measurably better than the Miyota. But then again, this isnt a fair comparison. An nh35 is a 25$ movement. A 9015 is a 120$ movement. A Sellita SW200 (basically EXACTLY the same thing as the ETA, for all intents and purposes) is a 150$ movement... (all base versions, all retail prices, not bulk).
Alors...

 

I prefer the Miyota 9 series movements.

 

You can, in your own personal experience get the BEST 9015 Miyota and the WORST ETA 2842-2. These are pretty mass-produced movements, and time has worn out a lot of the growing pains. All three are solid movements, and it just comes down to luck of the draw as to how good a movement you'll typically get.

 

NH35 is too basic, I’m not interested in any watch having it.
9015 has a huge advantage compared to 2824 - smoother and more robust hand winding.
The only advantage of 2824 the fact it is available in COSC version.

 

NH35 is too basic, I’m not interested in any watch having it.
9015 has a huge advantage compared to 2824 - smoother and more robust hand winding.
The only advantage of 2824 the fact it is available in COSC version.

I came here to say that.

Both ETA and Sellita can be gotten as standard or top (with different wheel and anti-shock), while Seiko is just offered in what I deem comparable to standard grade but not top/elaboré/you name it.

 

Depends

 

yeah, whatever is in the watch I want to buy is good with me. I buy watches, not movements.

 

I do prefer the ETA, currently in my collection I have 5 variations of the ETA, 3 of the NH and 2 of the M.

I recently did an off the wrist accuracy test with all of them after 34 hours. The ETA total was +26, averaging a little over +5 sec per watch. The NH -30 averaging -10, The M +32, averaging +16.

My three Orients brought up the rear with a +65, averaging a whopping +21.6

The surprise of my collection the one watch I own with a Chinese movement it was an incredible-1!

 

Those are all commodity movements, and I don't have a problem with NH35, so that gets my nod.

Among that family, I'd prefer an LJP G100. But never a SW200

Lately, however, I've picked up a penchant for thinner watches, so more on my radar are ETA 289x family and 7001, Sea-Gull ST1812 and manual wind ST17.

 

NH3x and Miyota 8-series cater to the price-driven customers. They're just not accurate enough.

The 9-series Miyotas are better...they're not great on accuracy, but they're generally decent...comparable to a base-level 2824.

The 2824 is best of these...but you're also paying for it. Prices on a 2824/SW200 are several hundred dollars more than the 9015s and the various plain variants like the 9039.

Note that the 2824/200s have multiple levels. The 9015 specs are very similar to a 2824 basic. Elabore and Top 2824s tighten the specs up substantially.

 

I voted ETA, but I also like the Miyota 9x movements. I never have and likely never will buy a watch with an NH35.

 

He just started another thread!

 

Guess what!? 🇨🇭

 

2824, it's good enough for Thomas Prescher, then it's more than good enough for me.

 

Just so you know, speed posting is frowned upon.

As far as the question is concerned, I don't think "everyone" says the ETA-2824 is the "best of all movements." Votre prémisse est erronée.

For one, it's discontinued. ETA doesn't make it anymore. SG brands are using updated C07s, everyone outside of Swatch is using Sellita, STP, or Soprod clone movements. There are plenty of folks around here who are not fans of the SW200, and the history of the STP is..."checkered." The Soprod P024 I don't know much about since it's pretty rarely seen.

The 2824 has a famously weak winding train. Its reverser wheels can stick, and the ratchet wheel can shear its teeth off. NH35s and 9015s aren't going to do that. The NH35 is a thick boy, low-beat, and not particularly accurate, but it's cheap and relatively durable.

9015 is a uni-directional winder, so you get rotor wobble when the rotor is free-spinning, and they can be noisy. They're less accurate out of the box than the most common Elabore SW200, but they can be regulated, probably with better results than the NH35 is capable of.

IMO, the best readily available OTS movement is none of the above: it's the SW300. The 2892 was a great movement, and being a clone, so is the SW300. No winding train issues that I'm aware of, thinner than any of the above, and with the new longer mainspring, better power reserve than any of the above. MUCH smoother winding than any of the above, and it's silent when doing so.

A COSC SW300 is a tough movement to beat. There are plenty of FAR more expensive in-house movements which aren't any better than it is.

 

Just so you know, speed posting is frowned upon.

As far as the question is concerned, I don't think "everyone" says the ETA-2824 is the "best of all movements." Votre prémisse est erronée.

For one, it's discontinued. ETA doesn't make it anymore. SG brands are using updated C07s, everyone outside of Swatch is using Sellita, STP, or Soprod clone movements. There are plenty of folks around here who are not fans of the SW200, and the history of the STP is..."checkered." The Soprod P024 I don't know much about since it's pretty rarely seen.

The 2824 has a famously weak winding train. Its reverser wheels can stick, and the ratchet wheel can shear its teeth off. NH35s and 9015s aren't going to do that. The NH35 is a thick boy, low-beat, and not particularly accurate, but it's cheap and relatively durable.

9015 is a uni-directional winder, so you get rotor wobble when the rotor is free-spinning, and they can be noisy. They're less accurate out of the box than the most common Elabore SW200, but they can be regulated, probably with better results than the NH35 is capable of.

IMO, the best readily available OTS movement is none of the above: it's the SW300. The 2892 was a great movement, and being a clone, so is the SW300. No winding train issues that I'm aware of, thinner than any of the above, and with the new longer mainspring, better power reserve than any of the above. MUCH smoother winding than any of the above, and it's silent when doing so.

A COSC SW300 is a tough movement to beat. There are plenty of FAR more expensive in-house movements which aren't any better than it is.

SW300 was my thought as well.

 

He will probably be gone by tomorrow……

 

What's with the Frenglish? AI, is that you?

 

Regardless of country of origin, and if you leave price out of the equation, the 2824 is the best movement of those three, and not because it's Swiss, because it's objectively the better movement. There is a significant difference between standard and top grade 2824. A top grade 2824 (and 2892) is arguably pretty much as good as any 3-hander movement out there on the market in every way except power reserve, including the famous in-house movements from Omega, Rolex, Tudor, etc. - and is the reason why many of those brands (including Omega, IWC, Tudor, and Breitling) used 2824's and 2892's (and in some cases, still use them) in their watches before developing their own in house movements.

Miyota 9015 is very good and a very close competitor to the 2824, I would say in the same class. But there is no fine adjustment regulation screw so regulation has to be done the hard and tedious way. Miyota has advantage over ETA in terms of more durable handwinding, ETA has advantage in terms of tighter tolerances and positional variance and better overall consistent reliable accuracy (there are outliers on both sides, but in general better accuracy), especially at higher grades. The LJP G100 has the best of both worlds with durable hand winding, ETA-like accuracy and fine adjustment and a bonus 68 hour power reserve. For me stable, reliable, and consistent accuracy wins out over hand winding on an automatic movement which isn't meant to be hand wound much anyway. A standard grade 2824 and 9015 is almost a wash. A top grade 2824 pulls away by a wide margin. If the 9015 had fine adjustment regulation and was capable of the same accuracy at the higher end, I would say the 9015 was the better movement.

NH35... It is just not in the same class as the 9015 or 2824. the only thing it has going for it is that it's cheap and reliable ("reliable" in the sense that it will keep ticking and running without problems but not reliable in terms of consistently keeping good time - again there are outliers but I'm talking in general). I'll keep the rest of the thoughts / opinions I have about the NH35 to myself.

 

2824 is better than nh35 in almost everything... more beat, instant date change, more accurate

and better than the 9015 (at least slightly) in accuracy and having bidirectional winding.

 

I find both the ETA 2824-2 and Miyota 9015 to be substantially better than the NH35. I consider the standard grade of the ETA 2824-2 to be roughly comparable to the Miyota 9015, but the higher grades are superior. The only benefit to the NH35 is that it is cheap, and I would only consider it in a watch under $250.

 

Your frenglish is painful to read (even for a native french speaker). It is an international english language based forum so I suggest you stick to that.

 

I like the ease with which 2824 movements can be fine tuned when regulated. They are also very basic, and if there is something that needs to be replaced, chances are that any watchmaker will be able to service it.

I like how cheap NH35 is. So cheap, that it's cheaper to just replace the movement if it needs to be serviced. These can be regulated unbelievably well. Some are absolutely fantastic, and others are garbage, and need to be serviced to get to run well.

I like the high beat rate of the 9015 - just like the 2824. I do not like the noise that the rotor makes, but I just got used to it. If it only had a fine tuning screw, like the 2824, I would probably like it just as much, because they can be finicky to regulate. I also see a higher delta between different positions when compared with the 2824.

 

I dislike Miyota movements due to their one directional freely spinning rotor, which makes watches sound like a fidget spinner. Had a Lorier with a Miyota movement and promptly sold it. Just couldn't real with the whoosh sound

 

My Enicar ETA 2824-2 after service runs +2 a day, but winding it is "rough", my Deep Blue w 9015 runs +10, but winding is smooth as silk, I wouldn't hesitate to buy watch with 9xxx. Dont like any movement that cant be within 15 sec a day.

 

As for a workhorse movement, I would go with the Powermatic80 or the H-10.

 

i had a Miyota 9039, and the winding efficiency must've been horrible because it would never make it through the night. Never had that problem with a 2824/sw200. Also, I had to send the one that I had back in for repairs because it kept getting stuck in a certain position.

 

Everyone talks about the ETA 2824-2 like it's the meilleur of all movements...

Huh? Everyone?