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Finding a small, reliable and usable chronograph is much more difficult than I thought

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#1 ·
I'm missing a chrono in my collection. I had a Speedmaster reduced (several, the 3510.50 and triple date), among other popular chronos but sold them off because being too large for my taste, or just not feeling it. Recently had a Nezumi Voiture but chrono hand was misaligned, Blue Angels 8020-54L but too large, Seiko Flightmaster but too busy and difficult to read. Now I have a Forzo Drive King on the way.

Finding an affordable chrono (mechanical or quartz) in a 40mm diameter or smaller size is much harder than I first thought. So many great divers and field watches out there with reliable quartz or mechanical movements, great lume, great sizes and designs...the same can't be said with chronos.

Mechanical chronographs are too thick, large, and not much variety under $2,000. Most quartz chronos use a seiko mecha quartz with a useless 24 hour subdial, can only time 60 minutes or less, have terrible lume, and mecha quartz usually has misaligned chrono seconds hand. The ST19 chronos are beautiful but I don't trust them in the long term. No issues with regular non-mecha quartz chronos but most designs offer useless features, or aren't well designed for timing functions (for example, chrono minute track subdial often times doesn't have minute hash marks, rather every 15 minutes)...

Anyone have ideas on where I can find a chrono with the following?
-40mm diameter or smaller
-13mm thick or less
-48 lug to lug distance or less
-Tachymeter or Telemeter markings
-rotating bezel a plus to time other events, or second time zone
-good lume C3 or BGW9 with lume on each hour marker for easy night readability
-quality metal bracelet with screw links and milled clasp
-Titanium or SS
-10 or 12 hour chrono timing function ability
-no 24 hour subdial
-subdials hashed/marked for each minute or hour
 
#2 ·
Some inspiration:
 
#14 ·
Ok, I'll let you know. They are expensive for a seiko mechaquartz movement IMO but it was the closest thing to what I was looking for and from the small number of owners they report good QC. I'm very picky, so we will see.

Maybe a Seiko Speedtimer (aka Seitona) 39mm?

I was very tempted to buy this. It's under my budget, and I think I can get a strapcode bracelet for it. However, I don't like the 24 hour subdial and the lume is very sparse only being on 12, 3, 6, 9 hour markers.

Save up for the Tudor?
Tudor makes a small chronograph? Also, this is the affordable section.

Zenith El Primero Revival is 37 mm and absolutely fantastic. You can find them used for pretty cheap too.
Very good looking. Thanks.

I like the Farer quartz chronos. Don't have one but I'd be tempted if it weren't for the fact I already have a seiko speedtimer and don't really want another chrono (if I need to time something a gshock is more functional)
I will check them out. Thanks.

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No lol. I mention in my original post, I have a Forzo on the way, but I will see if I decide to keep it if I like it enough. It's still not perfect but closest thing I found at the moment, I will check out other recommendations too. For example, it doesn't have a running seconds hand, but it has a 24 hour subdial, and chrono only goes to 60 minutes unfortunately.
 
#7 ·
Maybe a Seiko Speedtimer (aka Seitona) 39mm?

 
#8 · (Edited)
I don't know what the movement is in this Seiko, but it looks like a VK63 mecaquartz - 24h indicator at 3 o'clock (great if you're stuck in a mine and can't see daylight, but useless for anything else), small seconds at 6 o'clock, and a uselessly small 60 minute chrono dial at 9 o'clock. I would love a reasonably priced quartz chrono with useful and readable dials (30 min and 12 hr chrono dials) and no extraneous crap (the 24 hour time dial), but I have yet to find one. Even my "go-to" Eco-Drives have a 24 hour subdial and 60 minute chrono sundial - plain useless
 
#13 ·
I like the Farer quartz chronos. Don't have one but I'd be tempted if it weren't for the fact I already have a seiko speedtimer and don't really want another chrono (if I need to time something a gshock is more functional)
 
#15 · (Edited)
This really is a tough one, I’d be curious what you find too. All of my chronos have 60-min counters, and although this Casio EF503 has a 12-hr totalizer, the shimmery silver minute hand is nearly useless!

In contrast, one of my Citizen pilot chronos (CA7040) doesn’t track hours but at least is a lot more readable.
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#23 ·
Hopefully the Forzo is a keeper. If not, a good option is that Farer. I'm liking that Elvington II with the flyback function, I think it's only 60 minute chrono. The bulova surfboard looks great, it's a bit thick, but short lug to lug makes up for it, 60 minute chrono, not 12 hours.
 
#30 ·
I think this one does everything you want. Except be available.

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I think the movement is an ETA 251.262.
Maybe that'll get you closer.

Edit: Oops. It looks like the movement might be discontinued, too.
 
#31 ·
I think this one does everything you want. Except be available.

I think the movement is an ETA 251.262.
Maybe that'll get you closer.

Edit: Oops. It looks like the movement might be discontinued, too.
Looks good. But too big.

In the affordable range, there should be some Khaki crono 38mm Automatics, but are not contemporary, you could find one Nos or second hand.

Alternatively i find sexy the baltic Bicompax, but is manual
Couldn't find that 38mm Khaki Chronograph for sale, at a good price, or in good condition.


Rolex makes one. It will last you for the rest of your life.
I don't like the Daytona.
 
#34 ·
Little late to the discussion, but the Seiko SSC813 is one watch I grew to actively resent before selling it.

Why the hell is the minute subdial the smallest?
Why is the useless 24 hour tracker taking up so much space at 3'o clock?
How does the bracelet not match the case in any way and looks like it's from another watch?
Why is the lume only in 12, 3, 6, 9?

Just really feels like Seiko checked the boxes and slapped a watch together.

/end rant
 
#35 ·
Little late to the discussion, but the Seiko SSC813 is one watch I grew to actively resent before selling it.

Why the hell is the minute subdial the smallest?
Why is the useless 24 hour tracker taking up so much space at 3'o clock?
How does the bracelet not match the case in any way and looks like it's from another watch?
Why is the lume only in 12, 3, 6, 9?

Just really feels like Seiko checked the boxes and slapped a watch together.

/end rant
As good as that seiko chrono looks, and is popular, those are the main gripes and also why I haven't bought it...despite ticking many other boxes.
 
#37 ·
The ubiquitous Chinese 1963 comes in a 38mm size.

Dan Henry 1962 (39mm), 1964 (38mm).

I had a discontinued Seiko quartz, also 38mm - 7T62-0BZ0.

While I like a smaller watch, I'd actually go larger on a Chronograph. With the Seiko especially, but also the wife-ish's 1963, keep in mind that as the case shrinks, so do the chronograph subdials, leading to issues with legibility.