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I finally bought a Doxa Sub (It's a 600T Pro)

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi Folks,

I want to have a conversation with the owners of various Doxa Subs of the various numbered series (300T, 600T, 750T, 1000T, 1200T, 5000T). I want feedback. I need you guys to help me figure this all out. I am going to say some things here, tonight, that I believe to be accurate, but am open to correction i.e. other points of view.

First off, those of you who know me or remember the debacle last fall where I chose not to buy a Doxa, and bought an Omega, instead, are probably scratching your heads at the fact that I bought one (a Doxa). Do I need to explain that one? Let me put it this way: seeing that Divingstar 1000 on that Texas fireman who sat in front of me at The Eagles concert in Vegas was the worst thing that could have happened to me. In plain English, spending my hard-earned money (I am on a tight budget) on the Omega didn't cure me of Doxa fever.

Okay, so the perfect storm occured in the last 2 weeks: I unexpectedly got a big, fat juicy tax refund (it was obscene) and "RAL Austin" in Texas put one of his 600T Professionals up for sale right when I had too much cash (for the record, I bought my wife a new dining room set, and my kids got new bunkbeds). So I figured, let me buy a used Doxa, and see if I like it.

Here's the deal: the watch, # 797 of the Clive Cussler series arrived today via Fedex looking exactly as it did in Rob's photos in his April 10th posting with photos (viewable at https://www.watchuseek.com/f29/fs-doxa-600t-professional-674949.html ). The watch is in immaculate shape. :-! Ironically, all surfaces of the watch look like it's factory-new, except for the missing black paint on the rotating bezel, and I can send it to get fixed (recommendations, please!).

This watch--assuming that it is representative of the quality of all Doxas--is very, very well-made. Holy cowpoop, this is one nice, well-made Swiss watch. Period. I rank it up there with the famous brands (Omega, Rolex) in terms of quality, finish, movement etc. Everything.

Here's my problem: All these years I have assumed that the various models were just newer and newer ones with higher depth ratings, but all the same size, give or take a wee few millimeters that aren't important. When I opened the black sponge inside the aluminum Doxa tube, and first saw the watch, I gasped at how tiny it was.
Miniscule.
Microscopic.
Oh my god, this watch is small!o|

I had googled a lot of images of the Doxa 600T in the 24 hours before and after I paypalled the money to RAL Austin, and all of the images were of (a) a 600T (Pro, Divingstar, Sharkie) alone, or (b) with other 600Ts, or (3) with the old or new 300Ts, or (d) the old 600Ts from the 1970s with the new 2003 600T. Also, all of these on-line photos were taken with good-quality macro lenses, and magnified much larger than life-size.

So, nobody set out to deceive me, but I never found any photos on-line of the 600T next to some other Doxa like a 750 or a 1000, and man alive, I hope those watches are a lot bigger.

The problem, of course is that (1) I have been wearing big watches for the last several years [Ollech & Wajs 3095, Seiko Orange Monster, and Omega Planet Ocean 45.5 mm], and with this big watch trend--along with my own personal history of big watches, the 600T, which I am sure was a normal watch 30 years ago now looks laughably small to me. Well, that and the fact that my 45 year old eyeballs are giving me the middle finger.

I would like to see photos of the 600T Pro (orange dial) next to other, larger Doxas. I don't want to start collecting Doxas. I don't want a 600T, a 750T, a 1200T, etc. (BTW How does the 1200T compare in size to the 600T?).

I took my cheapie plastic Luminox out of the drawer, and its case and dial are the same size as the 600T, so clearly this size has been a standard mens' size for along time, and still is.

Part of me is thinking of not wearing any of my other watches, and actually hiding all of them in a box for a week or two, to see if I get used to how "small" the 600T is, by not having over-sized monster watches next to it. Maybe my brain will re-calibrate itself.

The weird thing is that when I took a ruler and measured the dial and case of both the Doxa 600T and my Seiko Orange Monster, this afernoon: the numbers were only 2 millimeters apart, but why does this 600T look so small???
:think:
Is there someone in L.A. or Orange County who owns a bigger Doxa e.g. a 750 or a 1200?

Tom
 
#2 · (Edited)
Your brain will recalibrate, just give it time. The 600T, 1000T, and the 1200T are all the same diameter(42mm), they just differ in thickness. If you want larger, the 750T, 800Ti, 5000T, and 1500T are around 44mm. The 4000T models are larger than that. Also check out Doc Pete's site 300T.com for comparative photos of the different models.
 
#3 ·
I agree your brain will recalibrate! I have a 1200t and a1000t and these are fairly big watches to my mind. That is they are over 40mm, which is the size of a Rolex Submariner. As it happens I'm fortunate enough to be sat here with my Doxa's, my Submariner, my Orange Monster, my Speedmaster and a few others.
The Doxa is bigger than all of them apart from the Monster and it's the same size. What is happening to you is your eye is registering the size of the dial in comparison to your other watches. Check it out, the dial is the smallest of them all because of two things. First it is in a tonneau or cushion case so it will always look smaller. Second there are two bezels ( an inner and an outer) on the watch again this makes the dial smaller.
Dont beat yourself up over it, you can get a bigger diameter watch and it will still look "underdialled" for a while. That was my first thought when I got my 1200, I was a little underwhelmed by it because of the dial. I now really like it. It's part of the watch's look, very retro and I can't really see me buying any other size Doxa now.
Hope this helps!
Best
GF
 
#7 ·
I agree your brain will recalibrate! I have a 1200t and a1000t and these are fairly big watches to my mind. That is they are over 40mm, which is the size of a Rolex Submariner...What is happening to you is your eye is registering the size of the dial in comparison to your other watches. Check it out, the dial is the smallest of them all because of two things. First it is in a tonneau or cushion case so it will always look smaller. Second there are two bezels ( an inner and an outer) on the watch again this makes the dial smaller.
Best
GF
Hi Guys,
I should have said that: yes, it is the dial, specifically, that looks so small. Last night I was looking up Rolexes (Rolexi?) on the internet, reminding myself that the Submariner and then the GMT Master that I owned in the 80s were 2 mm smaller than this watch, but I couldn't find what the size of the dial is on either the Submariner or the GMT. Can somebody please measure the dial of their Submariner and/or GMT?
Among the Doxas, then I would still like to see a side-by-side shot of a 750T next to my 600T. But then again, I could always look on Doxa's web site. They post more details about their watches than Rolex does on its site.
Part of me is thinking that I should just hurry up and flip the 600T, and keep my eyes open for a 750T Professional, but another part of me is thinking that this watch is has a historical legacy, and I should stick with it because it is the original size, design etc (42 mm, BOR bracelet, etc).
If the 1000T is the same size as the 600T then another optical illusion I may have fallen for is that the 1000T looked bigger on that Texas fireman's wrist, as he sat in front of me. What I should do is ask somebody at work to wear my watch, while I sit and stare at it on his arm.
I've got a lot to think about...
Tom
 
#4 ·
I lusted for Doxa once, but when I saw them in the metal years back, I was disappointed with how small they looked after having been accustomed to all my 44mm+ pieces. The Doxa looked anorexic. I suppose if you abstain from your bigger watches, your eyes may recalibrate. I still love the Doxa look, and who knows, maybe somewhere down the road, I may end up getting one when I wean myself away from the bigger watch diameters.
 
#5 ·
I am constantly amazed at how different a watch can look on different wrists. Your 600t might look small to you but be perfect for someone else. I wear a 750t pro and found the 600t and 1200t to be too small for me though i think they are both amazing watches. Doxa offers a lot of larger models but if you want a traditional looking Doxa like your 600t I would look for a used 750t. The largest Doxa out there is the 4000t if size is the most important factor to you.
 
#6 ·
I'm a bigger watch guy myself. I really like the way that my 750T Pro fits on my wrist but I was prepared to pick up a 42mm model if I was not able to land a 750T. I tried on a 300T Re-Issue and was pleasantly surprised by how well it fit.

I agree with the other guys, give it some time and I think that you will adjust to it. Keep us posted.

RS
 
#8 · (Edited by Moderator)
I'm a bigger watch guy myself. I really like the way that my 750T Pro fits on my wrist but I was prepared to pick up a 42mm model if I was not able to land a 750T. I tried on a 300T Re-Issue and was pleasantly surprised by how well it fit.

I agree with the other guys, give it some time and I think that you will adjust to it. Keep us posted.

RS
If I keep my eyes open for a 750T (orange dial) how realistic is it to hope that somebody will put theirs up for sale?
 
#10 · (Edited)
I'm sorry to hear that you feel that the 600T is small. I have one and I think it's perfectly sized for me
but I know that we all have different preferences. I do feel great sympathy with you since I also want
things to be what I expected/wanted and I've been in your situation when it comes to other things.
The 750T is also true to the original design with the BOR bracelet and same dial layout, only larger and
you should get what feels right for you when you wear and look at it since that's what's important.
Perhaps you can find a kind fellow Doxaholic with a 750T that lives close by that you can meet and try
a 750T on? I'm pretty sure that a 750T Professional will turn up for sale eventually, it's just a question
of when.

I don't know of you've seen/read Doc Millars review of the 750T? It has some nice comparison pics with
the 600T and 750T side by side, both off and on the wrist. There are also several more reviews with
great pics and comparisons on his site.

DOXA SUB750T
 
#11 ·
Take my advice as a collector of over 30 years. When in doubt, do nothing!
Getting a watch and being disappointed happens to everyone, deciding you have to do something about it NOW! Is the next thought! That's why the Speedmaster I have is my third one and I'm seriously thinking about getting an Explorer 1 again! It's not the watch it's the dial which you are having a problem with. Three months on from getting my first 1200 I'm looking at it sat next to all the others and it looks great.
you can get a bigger watch and you'll still have the same issue, the dial will still look smaller to what you're used to on a watch. That's what a Doxa Sub is about, a very retro, very different watch which is a little bit of horological folklore.
 
#12 · (Edited by Moderator)
Folks,
It's beautiful, but it's just too small for me. I needed to own and wear an original-sized Doxa Sub. Having owned this watch for 48 hours, I can see that spending the money to get a Doxa is totally worth it, in the flesh (or in the metal) they look better than their photos on the web, but I need a big, gigantic one like a 750 or a 1500. BTW the watch is + 3 seconds a day. Wow. More accurate than my Planet Ocean.
Tom
 
#13 ·
Hello G Francis!
I thank you for your advice, and agree with what you are saying, but I need this watch i.e. my Doxa to not just look good i.e. cool, it also needs to be functional. The small dial is precisely my problem: I can't read it. When I glance at my Seiko Orange Monster on my other wrist (I'm pretty sure that people in the office think I've lost my mind) I don't have to squint, or move the watch to some precise distance that my presbyopic eyes can focus on. I think if I had purchased this same watch 10 years ago, when my vision was 20/20 at any distance, I wouldn't have any problem with this watch.
This makes me wonder if the big watch trend isn't a hip-hop fashion statement as much as a covert move by a bunch of men over 40 to deal with their collective presbyopia by manufacturing really big watches.:-d
That said, I have to wait until the CD arrives in the mail from RAL, who sold me the watch, so I am "stuck" with the watch until next Tuesday or Wednesday, so I am going to continue wearing the watch, so see if I ever get used to it. Indoors here in the office the fluorescent lights make it harder to see anything, so let's see how I feel during a sunny California weekend.
Tom
 
#14 ·
It's funny, I've got my 1200T on one wrist and my orange monster on the other! I have the same problem with my vision, perfect 10 years ago and now and I wear glasses all the time. For me they are both very legible but the dwarf hour hand took a little getting used to. I sold a beautiful platinum Cartier tank a few years back for the same reason. I loved the watch but found myself studying the watch just to find the time which seemed like a complete nonsense.
i hope you get sorted with the watch.
best
GF
 
#16 ·
The 600T is the watch I am currently shopping for, but then again, I have a 5 3/4 inch wrist. It will be big on me.

I didn't bid on that one because I wasn't sure how to deal with the missing paint on the bezel. Wearing it with the bezel number unreadable wouldn't work as I plan to dive with it. Can anyone tell me how to fix/replace that missing paint so that it will be durable enough to withstand the salt water?
 
#17 ·
The 600T is the watch I am currently shopping for, but then again, I have a 5 3/4 inch wrist. It will be big on me.

I didn't bid on that one because I wasn't sure how to deal with the missing paint on the bezel. Wearing it with the bezel number unreadable wouldn't work as I plan to dive with it. Can anyone tell me how to fix/replace that missing paint so that it will be durable enough to withstand the salt water?
diverlulu,

REPAINTING A BEZEL

here is a repainting guide from Dr. Millar. I bought a 750T on Thursday and there are a couple of numbers that need a little refresh when I get the watch in hand. Testors model paint seems to be the usual paint that is used. That is the international orange bottle in Dr. Millar's write up. Looks like a very easy fix. Good luck!
 
#18 · (Edited)
I have 8inch wrists and my 600T looks just fine and the Doxa orange dial looks as big as the dark blue dial on my 44mm Steelfish. I'm 62, wear transition lenses and have no problem reading the time on any of the 42mm Doxas, FROM ACROSS THE ROOM:roll:!!!!!


PS. I guess Doxa isn't for everyone, While I like larger watches, I guess I'm not that hung-up on watch size. Also I don't see that big a difference in dial size between my Orange Monster and my 600T. In fact the Doxa is more readable than the Monster because of the greater amount of black on the hands and the minute markers.
 

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I have 8inch wrists and my 600T looks just fine and the Doxa orange dial looks as big as the dark blue dial on my 44mm Steelfish. I'm 62, wear transition lenses and have no problem reading the time on any of the 42mm Doxas, FROM ACROSS THE ROOM:roll:!!!!!

PS. I guess Doxa isn't for everyone, While I like larger watches, I guess I'm not that hung-up on watch size. Also I don't see that big a difference in dial size between my Orange Monster and my 600T. In fact the Doxa is more readable than the Monster because of the greater amount of black on the hands and the minute markers.
1) I am not into Breitlings, but that watch of yours is gorgeous.
2) I dragged my sorry butt to the eye doctor this weekend (she tried to sell me her Mustang :-d ), and am getting 1 pair of reading/computer glasses, and a second, distance vision pair for driving at night. I currently have transition lenses, and can't stand them. I hear people either love them, or hate them. I told her about this whole thread on the Doxa forum (along with my inability to read the buttons on my TV remote control when I get home from work {I can read that same remote control at 8:00 in the morning}) and after she set the eye exam machine (that big metal butterfly with a bunch of lenses and dials) and figured out my reading prescription for reading, and computer work, then she let me stick the 600T up close to my face. Nice.
3) I am going to say something new about the size of the 600T that I believe is worthy of a new, but short thread.
 
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Here a some of my own comparision shots:

Synchron 300T - Sub 750T - Sub 300 (noT)


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Sub 750T - Sub 600T


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Sub 750T - Sub 600T


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Rolex Submariner 14060M - Sub 600T - Omega Speedmaster Mark IV


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Hope this helps !
 
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