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Is my Bulova replica or real ? IT has a visual defect.

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#1 ·
Hi Members,
I have bought desired Bulova, hand-winded. After caring it for more than 3 Month, I noticed that the symbol at 12h is shifted to the left. Otherwise, It has halogramm, everything looks original. I have only changed the strap from brown to black. So please do not pay too much attention to it. Need your help whther I have bought it fake or last real Hand-Winded SWISS MADE Bulova ?

Could it be that these last swiss made Bulova had had a defect before the company was sold to Citizen.

Thank you sincerely a lot,
 
#2 ·
Hello and welcome to the forum.

It's difficult to really assess your watch from these pictures. Plus I'm not really familiar with that model. I did google the model and found one pic from an Italian site, which generally looks like your watch. Movement looks correct too (although there are Chinese clones of this movement). My best guess is that the misaligned marks are just a quality control problem.

One thing I would mention is the A4 inscription on the caseback, which indicates that the watch was made in 2004. If you're not sure about the watch's service history, it would be a good idea to have the watch serviced. And, if you send it back to Bulova for that service, then that would also be a great way to authenticate the watch.

One final note: Bulova would go on to release several different watches using that same watchcase, under the sublabels Accutron and later AccuSwiss, in the Gemini series. I own a few of these and have always liked them. Here is one of mine, made in 2009, which uses the same case, crown, exhibition back, and movement as yours, but with a different dial and hands....
 

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#3 ·
Your Gemini is certainly not a fake and the Unitas 6498-1 movement is correct for your 63A09 made in 2004. bidfun-db Archive: Watch Movements: Unitas 6498-1

As for the alignment of the Accutron logo and other applied markers, I noticed that your camera is not exactly centered on and parallel to the dial. You could be experiencing a phenomenon known as "parallax shift." Try viewing your watch from different angles. Does the "Tuning Fork" move to the left and right?
 
#4 ·
I agree that particular watch looks real, but there are some clearly bogus Bulova automatics out there. I've seen a few sellers with never-ending supplies of "NOS" watches that you can only find pictures of from those same sellers. The only thing that says "Bulova" is the dial. They have no case, crown, movement or strap markings indicating Bulova. No model number on the dial. Cheap generic straps.

The best part is the "serial number" on the caseback that is obviously (inaccurately) copied from an IP address: 1.1.192.0.0.4 :-d






 
#6 ·
I've never seen one in real life. In the eBay listings they say ETA 2896-2. You can actually see what looks like the ETA logo on the movement, so maybe it really is. But that would seem to be an unnecessarily nice movement for a fake watch. There are of course Chinese clones of that movement as well.
 
#7 ·
The watch in the first post is a fake, sorry to say.

For starters, that isn't a Swiss 6497/8 in there, but a Chinese clone of it - an ST3600 (the bridges are the giveaway).

So given that its a Chinese movement labelled falsely as Swiss, well.... the rest becomes clear.

Also OP, given the recent creation of your account and that its your first post, I wonder if you're the ebay seller who's pushing these at the moment? Testing the market to see if we'll figure out?

I guess we won't be hearing from the OP again anytime soon.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I dont see anything suspicious about the things you mention. Clearly there is swiss 6498. Maybe on request by customers.

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https://produto.mercadolivre.com.br...br/MLB-701825086-b-u-l-o-v-a-relogio-bulova-accutron-suico-63a115-aco-corda-_JM

Nothing to indicate OP watch is fake just happen the logo loosen.

https://www.watchfreeks.com/threads/my-bulova-arrived-the-last-hand-wind-swiss-made-63a09.299621/

#9 • 16 d ago
It is genuine. Just poorly made. Which may be the reason it was still around for you to buy new. That A4 stamped into your case back tells you it was made in 2004. Four years before Bulova was sold to Citizen for 250 million dollars.
The Bulova fonts are correct for the period. It was not labeled an Accutron because it was not an automatic. Pre Citizen, Bulova used all ETA movements in their "Swiss Made" watches. Yours is the ETA 6498.1 base version. The same unit that Laco uses in its Cuxhaven Navy watch today. They use the elabore' version pictured below.
That is a fine watch and a small piece of history you have there. I doubt it was the last mechanical Bulova ever made. But it's certainly one of the last new ones you will ever find. Congrats and enjoy. (y)


Please do not spread misinfo if you are not an expert on movement or history of the watch. What "an ST3600 (the bridges are the giveaway)." and whatever nonsense...