There are some watches from About Vintage that use 9039,I have the 1899,but I think there’s also 1964 model

 

Hey, if this keeps you busy, then go for it. But to be frank, the overall aesthetics and quality of a non-date watch are more important than whether or not it may have a "phantom/ghost date".

FWIW, Longines released an aviation watch a few years back that had a "phantom/ghost date". As to why they didn't remove the date wheel, it could be put down as being cost-ineffective in ensuring there weren't further technical implications in its removal, given the base movement they were using.

 

Hey, if this keeps you busy, then go for it. But to be frank, the overall aesthetics and quality of a non-date watch are more important than whether or not it may have a "phantom/ghost date".

FWIW, Longines released an aviation watch a few years back that had a "phantom/ghost date". As to why they didn't remove the date wheel, it could be put down as being cost-ineffective in ensuring there weren't further technical implications in its removal, given the base movement they were using.

I was thinking of including a kind reminder in the beginning that this is not meant to be a discussion about whether the phantom date position is a problem, but here we go...

There are a myriad of issues and features about watches that bother some people and not others, that some people care about and others don't even notice: I for the love of me still don't quite understand why some people feel so strongly about sapphire crystals, screw down crowns or specific levels of water resistance, for example. And yet they do, and that's what makes this hobby interesting.

Let me try to explain why I think the ghost date issue is slightly different. First of all, we probably shouldn't be talking about the "ghost date" as if it's some kind of feature that some watches just happen to have and others don't. The ghost date ultimately means that the watch is equipped with the wrong kind of caliber, i.e. one that is used for watches that do have the date indicator on the dial.

It's not a feature, it's a flaw. No sane person would rather want to have the ghost date than not. Someone said really well that it feels like operating a watch with a defective movement. Which it kind of, you know, is... The ghost date is something that simply should not exist in a consumer product that costs hundreds or thousands of bucks.

I don't even know what to compare it with to illustrate my point: Would you buy a car with an automatic transmission that has a "ghost clutch pedal"? Are you, perhaps, one of the folks who likes to watch TV with the wrong aspect ratio ("you get used to it after a while").

It frankly bothers me that we need to be having this debate time and time again, least of all on a forum focusing on watches. And yes, nobody really needs a watch more expensive than a basic Casio, these are all first world problems [add your favorite admission of guilt here]. But having a watch that uses the wrong caliber is not a matter of opinion, it's a mistake by the company that we shouldn't have to tolerate and stoically accept.

I rest my case.

 

I got two. One is the Oris diver 65 Topper edition without date and using Oris Caliber 733 which usually has ghost date but they removed it for this limited edition of 165.

The other one is my Vulcain Nautique. ETA 2824-2 élaboré grade.

What interesting is that my Longines Skindiver using the 2824-2 but with ghost date.

 

Are you planning to expand it to include other price ranges or focus on specific categories like field watches, dress watches, etc.?

 

That's a good idea! As the list grows it might be more convenient to have the watches divided into some kind of categories.

 

SW200-1 b - Möels & Co 369 watch is Swiss-made

 

A ghost date is a sign of cost cutting and I try and avoid that brand . I had watches that had ghost date and got rid of them . I also notice it’s mostly microbrands .

 

Be it a date, no date, or a ghost date, it does not matter that much to me as long as the watch is solid and reliable.

 

What is so spooky about ghost date?

 

Soprod

A10 Calibre

S.U.F Helsinki modifies the A10 for most (all?) of their current no-date models - eliminating the ghost position.

 

No pics to explain what a ghost date is? Some of us aren't as well versed as others.

 

Ghost date is when (usually) a microbrand uses a movement with a date mechanism, in their watch design that does not have a date. So the ]there is a 1st crown pull-out position that would normally be the position to adjust the date, but does nothing on that watch.

Truly not a big deal but somehow I guess it bothers some...

 

I never got this. So what? I'm too busy deciding which socks to wear with Crocs, must prioritize.

 

Miyota

90S5

• Aevig: Huldra
• Borealis: Sintra
• Lorier: Falcon, Neptune
• Marloe: Sceptre
• NTH: Tikuna
• San Martin: SN0144
• Tissel: Pilot

(...)

Seiko

NH38A

• Ember: Rocket

I'm confused. Not only because I'm one of those who think that a phantom date crown position isn't such a big deal, but more importantly because the Miyota 90S5 and Seiko NH38 don't have one, to the best of my knowledge.. Unless the manufacturer's own user manuals are wrong?

🤷‍♂️ Meh. I could be wrong, of course, I've never owned any watches with either of these movements. It never bothered me on the no-date Miyota 8215 powered watches I have, and I wouldn't pay anything extra for a different movement just to get rid of the ghost date..

 

Indeed they don't, as the title says: "No date watches without the phantom/ghost date position and their calibers"

 

It’s like French press coffee or shelling lobster. To get the good stuff you sometimes need to work a little harder.

 

IW3714 IWC Portuguese Chrono based on Valjoux 7750. They eliminate the ghost day/date position.

 

Yeah, that explains.

So, your aim is to compile a list of all automatic watches with movements without a date function? I misread the title because it didn't even cross my mind that this could be anyone's objective..

I mean, you could just go by movement then, and that list already exists..(?)

Caliber Corner

Watch movement caliber specs and information wiki

calibercorner.com

My aim is to list automatic no date watches that do not have the so-called phantom date position. Phantom date means that a no date watch has a caliber that nonetheless has the date complication. Hence the useless "phantom" function at the second position of the crown.

Caliber Corner is a great source but not very well organised, as exemplified by the tag search you linked that brings up all kinds of movements.

 

My aim is to list automatic no date watches that do not have the so-called phantom date position. Phantom date means that a no date watch has a caliber that nonetheless has the date complication. Hence the useless "phantom" function at the second position of the crown.

I know what phantom date means.

How is that any different to a list of all automatic watches powered by movements without a date function? Any movement designed without a date function won't have a crown position for the date quickset either, for obvious reasons. So, go to caliber corner, click on any movement in their "no date" list, click on any watch using that movement and it will be one without a phantom date.

 

MarkTime uses Miyota 9039 movement. I've got it in my M 1.2 below and it's also inside their current offerings of M 6 watches:

 

SW200: Laco Flieger Pro (date is optional, they disable the date position if you choose no date)

NH38: Buyalov Compressor

 

The Cartier 9611MC and derivatives come to mind from my personal experience.

 

Not to nitpick but the no-date Miyota 90S5 is in the Lorier Neptune S3 and S4. The Series 1 and 2 ran on the SII NH35 which has a date complication.

 

 

I don't believe any of the no-date versions of the Halios Seaforth had a phantom date position. Series 1 used Miyota 90S5 movements, Series 2 had dates, Series 3 was available with or without date; for the no-date versions, Jason Lim modified the ETA 2824 movement.

It takes about 5 minutes and one replacement part to modify an ETA 2824 or clone so it won't have a phantom date position. It takes a lot longer if the movement is already installed inside a watch, because you then have to remove the hands and dial, modify the movement, and replace the dial and hands.

 

All Orion models are without a phantom date position.