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Omega servicing. Pros/cons of official service center vs local watchmaker

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#1 ·
I have a 2254.50.00 SMP that is in need of a full cleaning and regulation. Externally it looks good but it's running slow and the power reserve is very low too.

Local watchmaker quoted me a total cost of~$600--he was sourcing official parts and included a replacement bezel in that quote (which I don't really care about). His plan is to replace all the springs and seals, then to provide a chronometer-grade regulation and water pressure test

I also contacted Omega about this, and they need me to send them the watch before they will give me a quote (which is understandable). However, I'm assuming it's not going to be any cheaper than my local guy.

QUESTION: given my needs (the the watch's lack of a truly proprietary movement), are there any advantages to going through Omega?

Thanks for any advice!
 
#2 ·
Hi there,

I don't have all the answers but I'm in the process of having my 2252.50.00 serviced.

Basically I contacted Omega as well as a couple local guys.

It turned out one of the local guys was actually a fully certified and authorised omega service centre.

I get the full 2 yr omega warranty with him and all the steps of an Omega service, but the watch is only a few miles away from me. On the omega website I was even directed to "my local service centre" and it was him!

I think I was lucky to find the best of both worlds, since I've heard horror stories about sending watches directly to omega. This way I get all the cover, but I know the watch is with someone I've met and trust. He's had loads of amazing testimonials and his background in watchmaking and repairs is impressive.

This is costing me around ÂŁ420.

Are you able to use the omega website in your country to look for "your local service centre" like I was?

Great watch by the way!

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#3 ·
I just had my Aqua Terra serviced through Omega. In my opinion, I prefer the nominally higher cost in order to have the piece of mind that the work will be done appropriately. I think since you are close to an authorized service person, then you are all set, but for me, I don’t have one locally, so feel more comfortable sending it to Omega rather than some random watch guy work on it locally for a few dollars less.


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#4 ·
From my limited experience, Omega are more likely to replace bucketloads of parts than the watchmaker. Probably no real benefit to this but possibly a watchmaker would look at a part and think its not particularly worn whereas omega, as theyre the parts supplier themselves and probably more time constrained, are more likely to replace anything that looks even slightly worn. You can also ask them to sort out the bracelet and they wont charge an additional fee. This maybe the individual SC though. I sent mine in with a fairly worn bracelet and they re pinned the entire thing. I thought it was a new bracelet until I saw the bag of parts that came back with it. You also get a nice travel pouch with the Omega job which may or may not be of interest.
 
#6 ·
If I may offer my perspective as an independent watchmaker...if anyone prefers using the service center, that's up to you. Not trying to change your mind or drum up business...I already have to turn away more watches than I accept. But I want to dispel the implication that independent watchmakers will let things go that a service center won't.

Yes, Omega will typically replace more parts than an independent watchmaker will, but it's not because they are letting things go that Omega would replace. Watchmakers in service centers are essentially parts replacers, and a lot of their hard earned watchmaking skills are terribly underutilized due to corporate policies, and time constraints. They have productivity standards that must be met.

The most common example is the mainspring barrel. In a movement like the Cal. 1120 in the OP's watch, it is made of 4 parts - the barrel drum, barrel cover, barrel arbor, and mainspring. The parts that is a must to replace is the mainspring, and often the other three parts are fine. An independent will disassemble the barrel, clean it, inspect it and if it's good, applying braking grease:



Insert a new mainspring:



And assemble the barrel:





In the service center they just grab a "barrel complete" from the stock and drop it in. They do this because it saves them a few minutes, and the result is that often the good parts are simply wasted.

They do the same with Speedmaster (321, 861, 1861) barrels, but those are made up for the same 4 parts I listed above, plus a driving pinion for the hour recorder, a friction spring and two screws to mount it all to the barrel - the whole thing gets replaced when in reality 90% of the time only the spring needs replacing.



Sticking with Speedmasters, a common wear point is a hole in the primary train wheel bridge where the barrel arbor goes through the plate. The hard steel arbor rides in the soft brass plate, and over time it wears the hole in the plate oval, like this:



The barrel arbor doesn't go all the way through the plate, so the hole is stepped and you can see how much the hole has worn. This causes the barrel tip tilt inside the movement when it's under load, and you can often see wear marks on the ratchet wheel, like this dark ring:



This is where the ratchet wheel has been rubbing on the underside of that same bridge. Here you can see the shiny spot that rubbing has created:



This causes a massive drop in balance amplitude, and to solve it, Omega replaces that entire bridge. Note that this bridge has numerous parts on it for all the chronograph functions, so posts and tapped posts that the chronograph parts all mount to - here is a photo where I have added red arrows to show all the items mounted on the top side of that bridge (and there are parts on the underside as well):



The bridge is a part that costs around $400 US to replace, and Omega just replaces it. A proper watchmaker will perform repairs, and since this is such a common problem I have a repair procedure to bore out the worn hole, and install a bushing to fit. This is the same bridge shown above, but with the new bushing fitted:



This is a simple repair that doesn't take long to perform, but the watchmakers at a service center would never do this. They just replace parts.

Similar situation with parts like hands. This is particularly important for vintage watches, as tritium hands are expensive to find as they are not made any longer. In a service center, hands are often replaced pretty much automatically. Often there is no real reason for this, as hands can be used over and over again. You can ask them to keep the hands, but if the service center finds that the lume in the hands may be cracked, like this:







They will insist on replacing them. While that may seem to be a prudent thing to do (no one wants tritium flakes floating in the movement), there are other ways of handling this. Usiong clear binder that is mixed with luminous powder to form lume paste, the lume in hands like these can be stabilized:



The clear binder is applied to the back of the hands, and this ensures that the cracked lume won't fall out, and doesn't change the appearance of the hands:



This simply doesn't happen in a service center setting. They just take your nice tritium hands, toss them in a plastic bag with all kinds of other parts, and slap bright new stark white hands on your vintage watch. If you are lucky they come back to you without any addition damage.

I don't blame the watchmakers for this - it's the corporate policies and time constraints that cause this sort of thing to happen.

It is done to ensure that the watch won't come back under warranty, which is certainly a good goal, but the manner in which they get there is incredibly wasteful...

Cheers, Al
 
#5 ·
Omega will do what they please with your watch. If they think the dial needs replacing, they typically do not ask permission. If you want more control over the process, try Nesbitt's or another reputable service so you can dictate what you want. It will expensive no matter what choice you make. You would think Omega would be the most qualified, and mostly you would be correct. I have a quartz version of that watch, paid about $700 to Omega and it looks brand new, and has only lost about 3 seconds in the last 4 months. Impressive. My Planet Ocean 2500 on the other hand, has been to the NJ Service center 3 times for the same issue and after they could not resolve it, I sent it back to Bienne in the hopes hat someone there will actually read my notes on what is going on with the watch. So I have experienced both sides of the coin for Omega service. If you do go independent, try to find a place with good references from here or other sites. Whatever you choose, be prepared to have your watch gone for 2-3 months and 500-1000 bill. Good work takes time and usually has a line in front of you. I use the time to buy a less expensive watch I've been wanting to try out and then flip it when my regular watch comes back. Or keep it if I like it.


Good luck!
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the replies guys.

I can see the positives of both options.

And I'm not sure what to make of the observation that Omega will even replace parts that don't need replacing. Yes, it seems wasteful. However, given the infrequency with which most people have their watches serviced, I can also see this as a sort of "preventative" maintenance".
 
#14 ·
How much authority does the owner have dictate what is done at Omega? I've seen most serviced watch return with the replaced parts; is that standard?

I understand you may not be able to tell them how to fix it, but requests for polishing the case vs not? For example, the crystal on my Speedy pro has been polished and there is a small mark that cannot be polished out. I am happy with it and dont feel it needs replacing, but would they just replace? Do I have to specify don't replace and would they be respected?

If you are trying to keep the watch as original as possible, I fear the Omega route could jeopardize that? However I do have trust and peiece of mind in the Omega route. That being said, I also would trust a reputable and experienced service from someone outside Omega too.
 
#19 ·
How much authority does the owner have dictate what is done at Omega? I've seen most serviced watch return with the replaced parts; is that standard?
In reality, you don't have a lot of say regarding what happens when you use the service center. Their goals are not necessarily the same as your goals, and this is particularly evident with vintage watches. For modern watches, what they do is pretty standard and accepted by most people. It's the fact that they take the same approach with vintage watches that is the problem, and the reason why most vintage collectors would never send their watches to Omega.

Omega does return the replaced parts, so unlike Rolex, they don't keep your property...

If you are trying to keep the watch as original as possible, I fear the Omega route could jeopardize that?
Yes, certainly. People can make all the requests they want, to keep dials, hands, etc. but if Omega believes that these parts may cause the watch to come back under warranty, they will not leave them on the watch. As I've explained in my previous post, instead of taking steps to repair like stabilizing the lume on the hands to prevent it from falling out, they will install new hands. There is no other option, except having your watch sent back without the service being completed (that is if you are lucky).

Now you will see people claim that "I sent my watch in with a note not to change the dial and hands, and Omega didn't change them. This means they will keep the parts if you ask them too!"

What these people fail to understand is that if Omega didn't change those parts, those parts were fine to be used again, and sending the note to Omega did nothing. But this scenario often leads people to believe that Omega will follow whatever request they ask for, and that is simply not true.

Omega simply will not leave parts on if there is a problem, and their fix to a problem is almost always "replace the part" rather than actually fixing it. There is an entire handbook that Omega has that goes through all the various checks that have to be done on watch parts, and based on the result what the action is. So for example talking about dials, they say this:

"Dial with cellulose varnish, lacquer or paint:

The surface lifts(check with peg wood on the side of the dial)"

So this is taking a piece of peg wood and testing the very edge of the dial to see if any finish lifts when you dig at the side of the dial. If it does, the dial is deemed "non functional" and the procedure is:

"Dial exchange or restoration is mandatory"

Bold for mandatory added by me. By "restoration" they don't mean fixing the areas that are the problem, but complete stripping of the dial to bare metal and reprinting - what is known as a "redial" in the vintage world, and the value of the watch is likely to plummet based on this action. I have seen instances where owners have sent their vintage watches to Omega, and the watch returned with a reprinted dial - no notice was given, and of course the value of the watch is now lost.

So, send away you valuable "Meister" signed Seamaster Chronograph with a dial that has mild patination as this person did:



And without them saying a word, you get this back:



Now worth a fraction of what it was. Certainly there will be some who prefer the after version, but the fact Omega did this without telling the customer ahead of time, is why people don't use them for vintage. Just understand the risks before you send something to them if it's vintage or if you value originality.

Omega does good mechanical work - there is no doubt of that. However they want to make every watch that comes to them as "new" as possible, which is often what customers do not want. If that is what people want, then using them is fine.

Cheers, Al
 
#15 ·
I have gone both routes for my Omega watches. I have used Nesbit's with great results and have used the Omega west coast service center with great results. Nesbit's actually recommended that I take my Planet Ocean chronograph to the service center because it would be less expensive there. I am currently awaiting the return of my Pre-Bond Seamaster from Nesbit's and they did call during the servicing to see if I wanted to use the original dial or have it replaced. I have been pretty satisfied either way.
 
#17 ·
When the time comes I will likely use Nesbits. It's a tad more expensive but you get an extra year of warranty, done by an Omega servicer and you get input into what they do (as evidenced by what that 1 guy said).
 
#21 · (Edited)
I sent my watch off after about 10 years of no service and did a mini review here.

I am still happy with the results to this day. My 2254.50 is not a vintage piece so I wasn't worried about it losing value. I will never part with it so... I looked locally and couldn't find a watchmaker that could service my Omega. I have seen Archer's posts here and on other forums and he has a great reputation as well as informative posts. I considered seeing if he had a spot in his schedule but ultimately it boiled down to my convenience. I have used an independent watchmaker in the past for a Rolex piece, Rik Dietel. His help and service were exceptional and the 1:1 interaction made it well worth it. With Rik it was a personal experience with excellent results. With Omega it was "send it off and wait".

Let us know what you decide.
 
#22 ·
I would spend some time developing a relationship with a good local watchmaker. There is nothing like being able to call one up, ask "whats up with my watch"? and get an answer immediately. Plus you can also do more complicated things, for example while I was having an old Breitling serviced, I had a moldy dial sent to the UK to be professionally and lovingly preserved by an expert. You will never get this kind of one-on-one at an Omega service center.
 
#23 ·
FWIW, I have decided to go with a local watchmaker. I located him through https://www.awci.com/ (thanks Archer!) and after only talking with him a few minutes I felt very comfortable letting him do the work. He has Omega certification and didn't come across as a pompous jerk (the last local guy I used was very arrogant but ended up BREAKING the quick adjust date on my watch without even realizing he did it--since then I have been leery of internet recommended watch repair places).

Looking forward to getting this SMP running properly again! :)
 
#25 ·
My experience with Swatch service in NJ has not been good. They badly scratched one of my watches and were terrible with communication on another. I would not go back to Swatch NJ. I did have a vintage Omega completely restored in Bienne and I was very happy with the service, but that required me to make two trips to Switzerland - one to drop off the watch and another to pick it up.


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#26 ·
My experience with Swatch service in NJ has not been good. They badly scratched one of my watches and were terrible with communication on another. I would not go back to Swatch NJ. I did have a vintage Omega completely restored in Bienne and I was very happy with the service, but that required me to make two trips to Switzerland - one to drop off the watch and another to pick it up.

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I had two vintage watches restored in Bienne and I was very happy with the service and results. They did exactly what I asked and even accepted my request to not do a recommended service item (replace the caseback) but told me they couldn't give me a guarantee because of it. I just mailed the watches back to them and they came back looking like new. Note that both of these were dress pieces without lumed hands and other items that they may have insisted on replacing. Also, they restored the dial on one but I knew they would and wanted them to. If I had a classic sportwatch or something with significant collectors value, I'd think long and hard about sending it to Omega based on Al's detailed description of their processes and what goes into their decision making.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Hello, I’m looking for a trusty and reliable watch service near Oklahoma, Texas area.

My Speedmaster Date is 11 years old, and works as intended but would like to service the movement since the crown calendar 2023 (winding pinion?) is a bit stiff and time needs calibration.

As I understand an Omega full service thru my AD cost ~700 USD. Do not need the complete overhaul but just what I mentioned. Thanks
 
#28 ·
Hello, I’m looking for a trusty and reliable watch service near Oklahoma, Texas area.

My Speedmaster Date is 11 years old, and works as intended but would like to service the movement since the crown gear (winding pinion?) is a bit stiff and time needs calibration.

As I understand an Omega full service thru my AD cost ~700 USD. Do not need the complete overhaul but just what I mentioned. Thanks
You need a full service.
 
#29 ·
Service prices at Omega: