To kick off this thread; This dial and Housing, is that a legit combination? If not, to which housing belongs this dial ?
The dial has currently Komandirskie hands, but can it be with Amphibian hands too ? ..... (perhaps in a 270 case??)

 

To kick in the door; This dial and Housing, is that a legit combination? If not, to which housing belongs this dial ?
The dial has currently Komandirskie hands, but can it be with Amphibian hands too ? ..... (perhaps in a 270 case??)

As you'll know from looking through the 1993 catalogue this is a type 64 case and I think the 1993 catalogue image is the only reference we have for this particular case, as for whether or not that dial is legit in that case the answer is it might be :think:

But it would also look good in a 270 case and as there's no catalogue image at all for the 270 case nobody could prove it's wrong :-d

1993 catalogue image:

 

Sounds good, as I wanted to use the case for the 2000 WW2 commemorative dial I have and possibly the "Vostok" dial for the 270 housing.

The combination of the this 64 case and the dial I have should look like the watch below;

Thank you for your help :-!

 

Alright boy's, I would like to humbly submit my latest acquisition to our esteemed panel of experts on this inaugural first page of........
"Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3" :-!


I have not seen a proof of authenticity sticker on the back of a Komanderskie?

 

Alright boy's, I would like to humbly submit my latest accusation to our esteemed panel of experts on this inaugural first page of........
"Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3" :-!

I have not seen a proof of authenticity sticker on the back of a Komandirskie?

Watch looks good :-! the back will only fit upside down but you've seen that before :-d the box might be from an earlier Vostok as the packaging used in 1994/95 was usually the same as seen with your Dnepr watch.

Here's another sticker

My guess is that they were put on to prove that the watch was genuine at a time when there were a lot of Chinese fakes around.

 

Thank you Avidfan and I am glad the Q&A Expertise thread: Is this watch legit or a franken? Part 3 is riding again!.|>|>|>

 

So am I :-d

Do the papers in the box go with the 1995 Victory watch you posted ? As that's an unknown case type and they could solve the mystery of what case code these cushion cased Vostoks have :think:

 

I have another one that came today...... :-!
no box no papers.

 

What do you say about this Luch? Does this dial look original? What about the rest? Thanks in advance!

 

Nice one. Looks good to me. Beautiful condition.

From '77 catalog:

That inner dial color is probably the most common one I've seen.

 

@EndeavourDK, It would explain why the code for this case has remained unidentified for all these years :-d

 

Inspired by Jimzilla's nice new watches, I've seen this allegedly new (post-Soviet) watch. I like this "off-center" case and at first glance the watch seems okay. I don't know about the box and I asked the seller if there is a passport to it? ...... awaiting the answer.

The dial appears to have raised numbers. Not sure about the meaning of the symbol (communication division?)

Do the experts see anything which makes you go Hmmm ....... :think:

 

@EndeavourDK; Looks good to me :-! and as you say looks to be for communication divisions, box is far too old for the watch though

 

Had one come in today that needs authentication, well sort of. the dial is in rough shape so I would also like a recommendation of which dial face would have come on this watch so I can swap it out. kind of an oxymoron.
Also, are the cases on thees stainless steel?, thank you in advance.

 

I am leaning toward the grey sub dial face?
What color hands?

 

Of course it is entirely up to you what like to do, but since you ask for opinions; I would leave the green sub AS IS. The dial has aging cracks which are very normal. Apart from the aging cracks, the dial seems in very good shape. The hours lume-dots are still perfect and the hands do have matching lume (color). It looks to me that the watch could well be still original as how it left the factory just post-Soviet. The case is a Komandirskie model 34, a chromed copper alloy.
From the three dials on offer, none of them do have "sunburst" and only the Tankist is from the same post-Soviet era, with no "Made in" on the botton of the dial. The other two are from a later era and do have the "Made in Russia" printed on the bottom.
Complimenting the green sub with a green NATO-strap and you have, IMHO, a very nice aged original dial & housing with "tons" of patina which doesn't need any "correction".

Again, it's all up to you and what makes you happy :-!

Pictures of my Green Sub, my dial suffers the same aging cracks but still makes it one of my favorites ;-)

 

My new (old) watch and I are going to have lunch at a Mexican restaurant today with my daughter, as promised here are a couple of pic's of the old boy!!!
Some additional elbow grease paid off as he cleaned up fairly nicely, installed a new case back gasket as well.

 

Thank you Roland for the words of wisdom not to Mod this watch. I originally was strictly modding when I first starting out in this hobby but the culture, quirks and essence of these time pieces are intriguing and growing on me. I also find myself also doing less modding and more restoring thees days. thank you sir.
You saved a classic from being Modded.

 

Is this a production Amphibia model? A friend recently sent it to me from the wilds of Uzbekistan.

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Is this a production Amphibia model? A friend recently sent it to me from the wilds of Uzbekistan.

Here's the 1980 catalogue image:

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And here's the example on ill-phill's site: divers6, the slightly different case, paddle/arrow hands and crowns you can find on these are all production variants (IMHO of course)

 

After I got back from lunch with my daughter I had desert waiting in my mail box!!! I have been waiting for this for 12 weeks plus from ASAP, I think one of his mules died that he uses to carries the watch parts down from the mountainside into the village where the post office is.
Please authenticate this for me. no box or papers. thank you guy's. |>

 

Looks good to me :-! the lack of lume dots is often seen on late Soviet cadet dials so it's nothing to worry about

This old thread is worth reading if you're interested in cadets: https://www.watchuseek.com/f10/show-me-your-vostok-cadets-juniors-mini-dirskies-1405810.html post #2 features an export version of your dial, the gold hands and lumed second hand with different bezel are just production variants...

 

Re: How to spot a fake Russian watch (Raketa, Slava, etc)

Hi,
I am also new to watch collecting and wanted to start with a Raketa due to my Russian origins. I have found 2 that I like, sold from the website Etsy.
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It's cost is about $140.00 (USD)
The other is also a Raketa,

for a cost of $69.00 (USD).
Could someone plase tell me if these watches are real or fake, and if i should proceed in buying them. Thank you so much!

 

Re: How to spot a fake Russian watch (Raketa, Slava, etc)

Hi,
I am also new to watch collecting and wanted to start with a Raketa due to my Russian origins. I have found 2 that I like, sold from the website Etsy.
View attachment 14257431 View attachment 14257435
It's cost is about $140.00 (USD)
The other is also a Raketa,
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for a cost of $69.00 (USD).
Could someone plase tell me if these watches are real or fake, and if i should proceed in buying them. Thank you so much!

I agree that the Copernic looks good. The case, dial, hands, and crown all look good. I can't tell for sure, but from the reflection in the first two photos, it looks like it might have a replacement crystal- it should have a flat topped crystal, and the way that the light is reflected looks peculiar. That may or may not be an issue that concerns you. I would get a movement photo before I bought it; it should have a 2609НП. With that said, the 2609.HA is essentially identical; if you're a stickler for details, make sure to get the НП, but if not, the HA will do the trick

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I only see 1 watch above. Copernicus. Looks right but it would be better if you get better photos. With the Soviet watches, there are 2 main things to check (besides whatever watch works or not, etc):
1) fake replaced dials/hands/crown/etc. Usually easy to spot.
2) if parts original, do all parts match each other (movement corresponds to the watch, from the right time period, etc)

Obviously it is quite simplified but enough to start. Do you have access to the catalogs? Like this?

 

Re: How to spot a fake Russian watch (Raketa, Slava, etc)

Broken Link pictures of the first watch are this link
Etsy: TheSovietWatchery: Soviet Raketa Polar - Rare - Vintage 80s - 24h Dial - Black - Leather Strap

 

Broken Link pictures of the first watch are this link
Etsy: TheSovietWatchery: Soviet Raketa Polar - Rare - Vintage 80s - 24h Dial - Black - Leather Strap

as far as I know this is a fake/souvenir dial. I would pass buy wait what other people say.

 

evening comrades, got some watches in the mail today and am in need of authentication by the resident panel of experts, and as always thank you in advance for your time and opinions.
This one said for parts as it doesn't work. watch keeps time but date will not change. other than that it is pretty mint condition. box and papers, no string tag.
I was also wondering if a collectable watch with papers. box, e.t.c. has the hands and lume dots re lumed and is serviced by someone like favinov does it add to the value or does it detract because it is not original any more?

 

It's a NOS Komandirskie 341307, but whether to re-lume or not is down to personal preference, for some it will become a more desirable and usable watch, but for other collectors a watch with new lume will be of no interest, it's really up to you to decide

 

Yes, most people buy rare watches for collections. And for that the more original watch is the better.

Paperwork looks good. Year 1993 matches the absence of ‘made in’. Good buy!

 

Thank's odessa200, I still have to take it apart to see whats up with the date not changing. How important is it to have the string tag with the watch?

 

Yes Avidfan I will and put it proudly into my watch rotation, thank you. :-!

 

From the 1993 catalogue:

 

@Jimzilla;

Agree with comrades above. If & when going through the effort, and pay the price for a NOS or Authentic watch with paper, IMHO it all has to be original; as it left the factory. Any tempering and most likely I would give it a pass. Of course, if the price is low / very good, the watch is rare / desirable and the tempering is reversible ...... :think:
Lume is one of those tell-tails of its age ...... hard to fake and hard/not reversible.

As for the passport; was the full passport clearly shown in the sellers add? When dodgy; often they show only half of it and no crucial numbers shown. If the passport is correct, the seller is often eager to show & to proof. If the passport is only half shown or still nicely wrapped up in the box ....... Hmmm :think: ........ better ask for full proof before buying ;-)

BTW; The WUS software is still playing up. Based upon what I read in this thread, I started writing my "reply". Posting my reply and suddenly more replies showed up, not present before. Kind of upload-delay :-s

 

BTW; The WUS software is still playing up. Based upon what I read in this thread, I started writing my "reply". Posting my reply and suddenly more replies showed up, not present before. Kind of upload-delay :-s

No, that was me. I was moving a bunch of 'legit or franken' posts from another thread to this one. Just to keep things tidy.

The problem is that for whatever reason, whenever you post in a thread your post start a new branch, rather than adding to the branch to which you were responding. You're not the only member whose posts behave that way. It can make it difficult to discern the context in a busy thread.

 

Frakenstein? Fake?

Thanks in advance.