WatchUSeek Watch Forums banner

Seagull ST16 vs ST25..what are the main differences?

11K views 7 replies 5 participants last post by  BrightShadow  
#1 ·
I did a search on this, as far as i can tell the ST25 is a higher quality movement with the main difference being the different position of the balance wheel for open heart watches...but just how is the ST25 "better"?
 
#2 ·
Uhm not entirely sure what you mean by better but here's an overview from what I understand. keep in mind I am still new to watches.

St16 is based off a Miyota 8200 but with a Seiko autowinding mechanism.
This is an example of a Miyota 8200 series (3 hands time/date 8205):
http://www.citizen.co.jp/miyota_mvt/download/pdf/parts_8205_8215.pdf

The ST25 seems to be a clean sheet design for openheart according to Chascomm
No, it's a clean-sheet design specifically for the open-heart balance at 6 o'clock layout. It just happens that is is made to a much higher standard than the majority of open-heart movements made by other companies (I don't count any Swiss, Japanese or Russian open-hearts because they are not true open-heart designs).
Some more info by dkbs
ST-25 is more like an enlarged clone of Rolex movement (exclude auto bridge) with in-house auto bridge on top and 77xx style date mechanism on the bottom. It is very stable and accurate movement (can stay on less than 2 second/day for several months if adjusted properally) but I don't know the durability.
Why it's better I am not sure, all I know is that it was designed specifically for an open heart balance, using double bridged. I am waiting on my large watch wrench so I can pry open this sucker.
 
#3 · (Edited)
it's also a 28800 bph movement as oppose to the 21600 bph movement found in the st16. that alone means it can be regulated to a higher degree of accuracy. It also has a quickset date pusher as oppose to just a quickset date on the first crown position. The date changes instantly rather than over a period of hours on the st16. It has a full bearing rotor rather than just a jewel cap, and if you ever get a chance to open one up, the movement is BEAUTIFULLY decorated and finished, with all beveled edges. I'm sure there are other upgrades in terms of material, shock protection, etc... but I would put the ST25 as an eta2824 equivalent. There is also the provision for moonphase and big date complications and a directly driven second hand, taking away any stutter that would commonly be seen on the st16 movement.
 
#5 ·
This is all based on my experience with ONE ST25 watch, but yes, the date 'snaps' from one number to another over a period of seconds, so there wouldn't be a danger of changing the date between 10 and 2. For the one I had, the date was located at the 3 o'clock position, but I've seen them at the 6 and big date at the 12 before.
 
#7 ·
I just bought a ST25 off trusthonestman and I amazed at the accuracy. Four days on a watch-winder and it is spot on. I have also bought a ST16 off him and he has promised me an accurate movement for the cheap watch, can't wait to test it. I also have a ST21 and a ST18. The ST21 is a few seconds out. The ST18, surprisingly, is the most disappointing at being 20s out. I'll have to measure it on my wrist to see whether it has a problem with watchwinders.
 
#8 ·
I found a great article on another site that talks about the difference of BPH and how it can improve a watch, and wanted to share it.

Apparently one of the main advantages is shock resistance. Ye olde style (not really since faster BPH is a more modern concept).
Does Faster Mean More Accurate? - TimeZone