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So are the Citizen Promaster Divers real dive watches.....or not ?

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#1 ·
Apologies if this has been asked already (wouldn't surprise me), but I did a search on the question, and got nuthin' (again, no surprise).
I just bought one of their solar-powered divers, the BN0151, and I'm really digging it, but have noticed some discrepancies in their advertising, and I was just curious.
So, the watch is marketed, and pretty plainly stated in their ads, to be a "diver", and their web page says,".... it is powered by light and never needs a battery, so you'll never need to open your caseback or compromise your dive again". (obviously referencing diving with it).
Yet, oddly, in the list of features, under 'Water resistance", it says, "swimming,showering,snorkeling". The obvious and easy answer here would be that they're just trying to cover themselves in case it floods on a dive, but that doesn't make any sense (rationally or ethically) for a watch advertised, and widely used, specifically as a dive watch. How can they market and label it as a dive watch, then pretty clearly state that it isn't (and all in the same ad) ?
You can see these contradictions here in their ad....https://www.citizenwatch.com/us/en/product/BN0151-09L.html
Have they ever tried to weasel out of a warranty claim, based on the fact it was used while scuba diving ?
Any good info is much appreciated.....


 
#2 ·
While Citizen does state under WR "swimming,shower,snorkeling" they also state clearly that it is ISO Certified.As there is NO ISO"certification",only ISO Compliance ,& the dial clearly marked "Divers 200m" I doubt VERY seriously that if a problem occurred Citizen would balk at Warranty coverage.
 
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#7 ·
Apart from Seiko Skx and Deep Blue 1000 its another reliable diver under 200$ for recreational diving.

Does not mean that you cannot get an occasional lemon but overall should be one of the most robust watches.

My personal choice is skx007 but I often see folks on diving trips with promasters as backup for dive computers.

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watches are not supposed to say they are a "diver" unless they meet ISO 6425 standards. If your watch - Citizen, Seiko, whatever, says 'diver' adjacent to the 200, 300, or other indication of water resistance, it's supposed to meet the certification for a dive watch. I own a couple of old Seiko dive watches and three Citizens, all of which say 'diver' on them, all of which have spent a lot of time in the water, but always swimming, sailing, sailboarding, waterskiing, or snorkeling. I don't scuba. None have every leaked.

The Citizens I wear: BN0000-04H, a fairly small watch with a monocoque (one piece) steel case, that one is over ten years old. A stainless steel 'ecozilla,' a big (48 mm stainless steel case), ugly (beautiful) tool dive watch I have had for a number of years. ps I added aftermarket lugs to it. I wear both of these with Zulu straps, because the rubber straps aren't very comfortable against skin. I also have a titanium case/bracelet Citizen dive watch I purchased within the past 18 months - reference BN0200-56E, a really good-looking watch and extremely lightweight for a watch with a 44mm face and metal bracelet. they have all spent loads of time in the water, I canoe and kayak frequently with all of them.

Let's face it: most of us aren't going to use these watches for anything more than snorkeling or crashing into the water when we wipe out while waterskiing or surfing, or crashing off a sailboard or flipping a kayak or canoe. Real divers these days use dive computers to deal with decompression, which is the reason dive watches have a numbered, movable bezel. Even so, if a watch is ISO certified to 200 or 300 meters should be fine for any recreational SCUBA, which generally doesn't go deeper than 40 meters. even most recreational mixed-gas divers don't descent much lower than 100 meters.
 
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This one is a ISO rated saturation 300m.
 

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I guess that depends on what your definition of "Real Diver" is. I have been diving with several Citizen Promaster watches including the Altichron, a 4X4 Supertough and the Professional Diver. They are so inexpensive to replace entire movements in; I say don't worry about it. When it comes to defining what 'real divers' are, as it applies to individuals who are scuba diving, you probably don't want to hear my definition. The Citizen Dive Watches can keep up with any diver here.