some pix may helps.

 

Without images or better information, I would offer that replacement/repair should not be difficult for a competent watchmaker...
Regards, BG

 

Hello,

here is the photo I managed to take:

 

Hi blackarrow,
as you mentioned screws I thought it couldn't be one of the cheapest :-D but now I see that the trainwheelbridge is smelted.
I'd say loosening the three screws shown is pointing rather to an electrical contact issue than a mechanical issue.


The following is just a suggestion. According to battery size 377 I suggest rather a 6 3/4x8 than a 5 1/2x6 3/4 movement looking a bit like a "swiss parts" movement (Thailand, Phillipines, China etc.) comparable to ETA 802.104 etc


measure, check and compare to images on e.g. startimesupply, esslinger etc:
- ligne size 6 3/4 x 8''' (15,3x17,8mm)
- thickness 2,95mm?
- two or three hands?
- hands 1,20x0,70x0,20 (btw. same as ETA 2671 ;-))?
- dial feet position (for 802.104 at a rough estimate 5min and 27min)?
- nothing written underneath the cell?


In my experience hour and minute hands are identical size for those cheap small movement (eventually not the seconds hand).
If you are able to solder the feet to the correct position of the dial you could use one of those big colourful plastic watches that come for $2, free international shipping, new battery and silicone strap :-D
Sometimes they even do not have dial feet but adhesive tape dial stickers.


good luck in finding the one of a hundred


br Klaus

 

As Klaus says, that looks like an ETA802.104. They're available, but they're horrible movements and massively over-priced compared to better built, cheaper, and more reliable alternatives from non-Swatch Group companies.

Hour and minute hand sizes are the same as (in personal preference order) Miyota 2035, Ronda 763, and Hattori PC21. Seconds hand sizes are different but replacement seconds hands for all of the above are also easily and cheaply available.

Given the application, moving the dial feet to fit is probably over-kill. Assuming you have the plastic casing ring (which is missing in the photo), this is one of those cases where cutting the feet off and using dial spots to attach the dial to an alternative movement is a valid option - it's not like it's going to have to deal with the knocks and bumps that a wristwatch suffers!

In fact, taking any of the above movements and gluing it in with chewing gum would probably still result in a better overall product than that ETA movement

 

... In fact, taking any of the above movements and gluing it in with chewing gum would probably still result in a better overall product than that ETA movement

|> great, that's a good one. Maybe the reason for not having any brand or reference number on it?

I agree upon the Miyota 2035

 

Heck-- find a few $1 Valu Village/Goodwill/pawnshop cheap quartz watches that measure just about the right diameter. See if it fits. Then just use the seconds hand from it.

Probably cheaper and faster than sourcing a new one from the web. At this point it is broken, so the worst case is what- the toy clock still does not work?

 

I checked it again, it looks like ETA 802.104, but does not have the ETA logo on it. I managed to find the new movement on eBay, however, the stem is much shorter. Not sure if I could buy this new movement and put the old stem in? It is basically the same movement.

 

If it is the SAME movement, it should take the SAME stem...

*I would assume so* (with full knowledge of what happens with assumptions)

 

I bought it, waiting for the movement to arrive, then I will try it.

 

The ETA 802.104 has arrived and I managed to change the movement only. I took hands, dial (which was attached to the movement with some strange kind of glue) and the stem from the old watch. Additionally, I put a new Renata 377 battery and that is it. Thank you all for the help, I really appreciate your time to help such a beginner like me.

 

The watch stopped once again. I changed the battery, however the hands would not move. I removed the hands and dial, and tried to see if this caused the blockage. No success, as the hands stayed in their positions and did not move, although I heard the ticking sound. Since I took the hands from the previous movement, I tried the same with old hands - again no result. At the end, the watch did not tick anymore, I tried with completely new battery, but again, it did not work. I suspect that the movement is just broken, but I am really disappointed with brand new ETA movement which stops working after two months. Is there equivalent for 802.104 from Miyota or similar more reliable quartz movement? Or did I do something completely wrong?

 

The watch stopped once again .... I suspect that the movement is just broken, but I am really disappointed with brand new ETA movement which stops working after two months. Is there equivalent for 802.104 from Miyota or similar more reliable quartz movement? Or did I do something completely wrong?

... Hour and minute hand sizes are the same as (in personal preference order) Miyota 2035, Ronda 763, and Hattori PC21. Seconds hand sizes are different but replacement seconds hands for all of the above are also easily and cheaply available.

Given the application, moving the dial feet to fit is probably over-kill. Assuming you have the plastic casing ring (which is missing in the photo), this is one of those cases where cutting the feet off and using dial spots to attach the dial to an alternative movement is a valid option - it's not like it's going to have to deal with the knocks and bumps that a wristwatch suffers!

In fact, taking any of the above movements and gluing it in with chewing gum would probably still result in a better overall product than that ETA movement

That is exactly why I don't like those ETA plastic bin-fillers.

If you don't want to mess around buying or finding alternative seconds hands you could always use the 2-hand (no seconds hand) version of one of the above list.

2-hand Miyota 2035 = Miyota 2025
2-hand Ronda 763 = Ronda 762
2-hand Hattori PC21 = Hattori PC20

 

Well, I would like to preserve the original look as much as possible. So, I kept the dial and hands (which are showed on the last photo). Usually, I can buy the movement only, so I am not sure if the hands and stem will fit. Miyota 2035 looks reasonable.

On the other hand, maybe the seconds hand from the old movement was not fitting properly the new ETA movement I bought. Could this be possible? Since the watch worked for about two months, but the battery was out at the end. However, after putting the new battery I got some weird ticking noises, so I am not sure if the movement just broke down.

 

Normally I don't tell people the stupid things I do to quartz watches, but for you an exception. On non runners I spray some electrical contact cleaner in the movement, with battery removed, blow it out lightly with canned air, let sit and dry or blow dry with a hair drier and then lightly oil the pivots. You won't believe how many I have brought back to life over the years. I'm not responsible for anything you mess up. Proceed at your own risk.

Good luck with yours.

 

What you mean by the electrical contact cleaner? I do have pure alcohol by hand, but not sure if that would be too much. On the other hand, the movement is probably already dead, so I have nothing to lose.

As said before, I would like to order Miyota 2035 but I am not sure if the old hands will fit. The movement itself looks similar to ETA 802.104 but I am not sure about the hands, since they should (if possible) stay the same.

 

The contact cleaner is either Deoxit or a electrical contact cleaner by CLR. CLR is sold in the auto section of Walmart and probably most auto parts places. If this doesn't work for me I have also added using a pin to move the gears around a few times.
Be very careful when you do that. Access is usually easiest looking through the side where the battery sits. The gear is usually white plastic. Actually in the picture above you can see the gear I speak of.

 

I tried cleaning the ETA movement, but without success. I assumed it just died, so I ordered Miyota 2035. I managed to cut the stem to the right length, and put the old crown back. However, the seconds hand does not fit, so I decided to leave it out. The watch works now, is cleaned and the movement is a new one. Never though that putting back such a cheap and simple little watch would cause me so much trouble, but my girlfriend has her watch back again.

 

It'll be far more reliable with that Miyota movement. You can buy seconds hands to suit easily enough if she decides she wants one and can probably find a fairly good match for the original in the correct fitting size.

 

Check out Esslinger for second hands, probably CousinsUK if not state side.