[nick.apos]

The only benefit is that if GPR-H1000 comes out it may be possible to find GBD-H2000 for a lower price. Other than that the new rangeman wont have any new features over the GBD-H2000 beyond a face lifting and a higher price.

 

[Queen6]

Current most up to date Instinct 2X has dual band GPS. Casio seem to borrowed newer chip for Squad 2000 model, but fell short of any type of navigation. Either because of power hungry nature of internals or insufficient brains of internals or both. 2000 not really shining in battery life compared to competition while Garmin improves it with each and every generation. Carbon and resin band are sure "hugely" innovative and easy to implement, but at some point internals should see some attention too. GPRB was oldish at the time of introduction (though it was de facto first solar etc.) but it is not the biggest misfire on Casio side when it comes to smartwatches. Casio aware of their choices and that's why they stick to more simple models and other functions. Breadcrumb navigation is not really #1 function people use. And though i am critical of Casio not advancing to new hardware, i must say they added much more in demand fitness tracking functions. And that, i think, worth mentioning.

I am positive in terms of breadcrumb navigation hardware is capable at least on awfully crude level of GPRB. It records data anyway, so it only matter of extra code lines to use it.

Beautiful GPR-B1000! They should have innovated this one....without a scrollwheel.

Casio is just plain stubborn and outright slow at times. It frequently refuses to advance and seems more to focus on renewing the design of most lines on an annual/biannual basis. Their saving grace is the watches are near bulletproof and Casio knows it's market from a point of view of design language.

Casio tends to lock onto a technology and stick with it for a longtime. Unfortunately now it's Bluetooth, now we are seeing an ever increasing dependency on Bluetooth for navigation purposes and other features. While I don't mind the feature as an assist I don't care for it as a primary function as I want all features on watch not reliant on a Smartphone.

Scrollwheel is likely the weakest link with the GPR-B1000 with a pusher only solution being far more robust. My own GPR-B1000 is deadly accurate, so Casio has that aspect nailed. TBH I've always thought the GPS Rangeman was more of a tech demo than anything else and Casio not following up only tends to reinforce that. Pity as Casio was onto a good thing, just needing to evolve the line by reducing size and improving the user interface...

Right now Garmin has the clear lead and at lower price point for the likes of the solar Instinct II. I doubt the Garmin is a robust as the G-Shock, equally they are likely more than durable enough barring the very harshest of use.

Q-6

 

[Rocket1991]

I can go on about the list of examples regarding that. Here are a few more prominent ones:

1. GG-B100 Mudmaster vs GR-B200 Mudmaster vs PRT-B50 ProTrek
2. PRW-6000/6100 ProTrek vs GWG-1000 Mudmaster vs GWG-2000 Mudmaster
3. GST-B200 G-Steel vs GR-B100 Gravitymaster
4. MTG-B2000 vs MRG-B2000
5. MTG-S1000 vs GPW-1000 Gravitymaster vs MRG-G1000
6. GPW-2000 Gravitymaster vs MRG-G2000
7. WVA-M650 Waveceptor vs LCW-M300 lineage vs GW-2500 vs OCW-T400 Oceanus vs MRG-7600/7700
8. WVA-M630 Waveceptor vs LCW-M100 lineage
9. GWF-A1000 Frogman vs OCW-P2000 Oceanus
10. GWN-Q1000 Gulfmaster vs PRW-7000 ProTrek (Protrek just swaps out the depthmeter for a fishing timer)

Many of these examples include either non G turning into G, thus there is marketing thing about toughens and such.
MRG into non MR/TG and back include different case and due to weight vs plastic some extra padding. Not much, but it like model in sold gold vs stainless
Casio has much more examples of very similar functionality or same module with different firmware/display layout hanging around. No doubt about that.
My point was i think B2000 into new rangeman without firmware change is too much of the lame duck move, but i don't dismiss such opportunity completely.
But it crosses border of Casio usual model line set up. Everything is possible though. Casio did came out with older Samsung internals on WearOS and i was debating will it get 4000 or old 3000 with 4000 been logical and 3000 possible. In the end Casio used equivalent of 2000....CPU.
Many examples you brought are similar model but different product lines. Things i do expect from Casio. So if B2000 was cloned as protrek without any change to module or soft...that would of been 100% expected. If Casio gets MRG uber carbon coco swirl model of B2000 as is ... expected.

 

[Viper45]

Many of these examples include either non G turning into G, thus there is marketing thing about toughens and such.
MRG into non MTG and back include different case and due to wight vs plastic some extra padding. Not much, but it like model in sold gold vs stainless
Casio has much more example of very similar functionality or same module with different firmware/display layout hanging around. No doubt about that.
My point was i think B2000 into new rangeman without firmware change is too much of the lame duck move, but i don't dismiss such opportunity completely.

Seeing how Casio has been doing things, I would not expect any other opportunity with this watch rather than the same internals being used.

 

[Queen6]

I think it comes with Casio been watch company run by watch company execs, managers etc. What they doing is OK in watch but big no in smartwatch. Watch is 100% hardware ( i dismiss marketing and fashion parts) while smartwatch is 30% hardware and 70% software. Casio did borrowed software tech which improved latest models at least in a portion of it. But there is still a lot of things to deal with. And product cycle of smartwatches is 3 years now (used to be shorter) and during this time most of them still get some input from company which sold them: bug fixes, app support, ecosystem support, functionality support etc. Things unheard in a watch product cycle.
I think Casio is more like a fashion formal clothing store now, which used to see a lot of traffic back in the days, but now... who need suits for work?
So they try to diversify, offer something else, but in the end of the day when in the past you were looking around and 100% saw someone wearing Casio, now it a sight to behold.
They still doing good in certain demographic and they still look cool in they eyes of the kids. And surprisingly kids who want retro experience.
We always see cheery graph of increasing billions a year but they loosing their mojo in numbers. Compensated by selling more expensive LEs and such.
What is bad for Casio they loosing domestic sales which was 1/3 of their market. And i don't even need to bet on that, they loosing to Apple Watch.

Historical Data | CASIO

world.casio.com

They do loose even in sales $$$ numbers.
So Casio is facing tough times and i hope something good will come out of it. Not just another collab with name i would wear with lesser confidence than pure pink G-Shock.
G-Shock part of the Casio corp is indeed doing well and performs globally better than other divisions. So increase in transaction price is good working strategy. Works for GM, Ford and former Chrysler too. At least worked till this year.....

Two aspects the stubbornness to advance with some technologies and ever advancing competition who are gaining ground fast in some regions as Casio's pricing on their higher tier models (MRG, MTG & G-Shock) is no longer favorable.

The limited editions can be of value, howwever if overdone they loose their appeal especially if just a minor cosmetic change such as lettering/logo etc.

Q-6

 

[Rocket1991]

Casio is just plain stubborn and outright slow at times. It frequently refuses to advance and seems more to focus on renewing the design of most lines on an annual/biannual basis. Their saving grace is the watches are near bulletproof and Casio knows it's market from a point of view of design language.

Casio tends to lock onto a technology and stick with it for a longtime. Unfortunately now it's Bluetooth, now we are seeing an ever increasing dependency on Bluetooth for navigation purposes and other features. While I don't mind the feature as an assist I don't care for it as a primary function as I want all features on watch not reliant on a Smartphone.

Scrollwheel is likely the weakest link with the GPR-B1000 with a pusher only solution being far more robust. My own GPR-B1000 is deadly accurate, so Casio has that aspect nailed. TBH I've always thought the GPS Rangeman was more of a tech demo than anything else and Casio not following up only tends to reinforce that. Pity as Casio was onto a good thing, just needing to evolve the line by reducing size and improving the user interface...

Right now Garmin has the clear lead and at lower price point for the likes of the solar Instinct II. I doubt the Garmin is a robust as the G-Shock, equally they are likely more than durable enough barring the very harshest of use.

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As i said in my comment to which you replied Casio is watch company. And this comes with different approach to everything compared to true technology companies. Casio used to be technology company. But that not true any more. And it's not true for so long. We should not talk about it.
Money vise Casio makes about 95% of their money off watches. It all publicly available data. Surprisingly or not, calculator division is stable one. After all there are new students entering schools and universities and they all need new calculators. But you buy it once. Then you buy it for your kids.... The only reason to buy another one if you lost it or you played fetch with your dog with it.

As far as watch company strategy Casio is no different from many of them. Timex included. They all do same. All move in same general direction and all try to maximize profits within their given portfolio and market niche. Which in case of all of them is moving upmarket and as far away from true smartwatches as possible.
They all play nostalgia, fashion, LE and premium tunes.

 

[Rocket1991]

Seeing how Casio has been doing things, I would not expect any other opportunity with this watch rather than the same internals being used.

Well... we will see it soon enough.
I don't mind waiting and i don't want to argue about it.
There is no interest in that for me. I don't care in a slightest about what next Rangeman will be, because 100% i am not buying one and as far as arguing goes i am already said what i wanted.

 

[sky_sun]

hello again
the source its Russian website >>they said its have gps

G-SHOCK GPR-H1000 и ребрендинг линейки RANGEMAN

Итак, некоторые европейские магазины уже начали размещать у себя GPR-H1000 с пометкой «скоро будет доступен пресейл». А это уже говорит о четких планах пустить новинку в продажу в ближайшее время [январь-февраль 2024]. Полного списка характеристик на данный момент еще нет, но инсайдеры из Европы...

casioblog.com

 

[RB]

I will probably pass on the new Rangeman. A pity Casio didn't develop the GPR-B1000!
I will probably buy a Garmin Instinct 2X Solar. I will put it in battery saving mode with no HR etc. I only use the ABC and GPS to sync time and position. Hopefully with enough sun the battery will last a long time!

 

[Viper45]

hello again
the source its Russian website >>they said its have gps

G-SHOCK GPR-H1000 и ребрендинг линейки RANGEMAN

Итак, некоторые европейские магазины уже начали размещать у себя GPR-H1000 с пометкой «скоро будет доступен пресейл». А это уже говорит о четких планах пустить новинку в продажу в ближайшее время [январь-февраль 2024]. Полного списка характеристик на данный момент еще нет, но инсайдеры из Европы...

casioblog.com

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So does the GBD-H2000. See that Caseback, not a slightest of difference aside from the model and module number.

The GPS is however not independent. It needs the phone to display the waypoints. Its not used for independent navigation like the GPR-B1000.

If anyone had any doubts that this was not a recased GBD-H2000, these photos are sufficient evidence. Its weird to see Casio market the activity modes they had already introduced to the GBD-H2000 as something "new".

 

[Viper45]

I will probably pass on the new Rangeman. A pity Casio didn't develop the GPR-B1000!
I will probably buy a Garmin Instinct 2X Solar. I will put it in battery saving mode with no HR etc. I only use the ABC and GPS to sync time and position. Hopefully with enough sun the battery will last a long time!

It has infinite battery life with the settings you're describing so yeah, it will last a long time.

 

[nick.apos]

It has infinite battery life with the settings you're describing so yeah, it will last a long time.

A potential issue in this case is that Garmin is a proper smartwatch that depends fully on a phone, and not a mostly independent watch that needs a smartphone for some secondary functions.
Smartwatches do not have a good longevity track record.
they usually follow the lifecycle of a smartphone.
One of the reasons I am buying and using g-shocks is their long life span. I do not want to replace my watches every few years.

 

[RB]

A potential issue in this case is that Garmin is a proper smartwatch that depends fully on a phone, and not a mostly independent watch that needs a smartphone for some secondary functions.
Smartwatches do not have a good longevity track record.
they usually follow the lifecycle of a smartphone.
One of the reasons I am buying and using g-shocks is their long life span. I do not want to replace my watches every few years.

You don't need to pair it with your phone. Just as the new Rangeman....you can use these watches as standalone watches.

 

[Rocket1991]

A potential issue in this case is that Garmin is a proper smartwatch that depends fully on a phone, and not a mostly independent watch that needs a smartphone for some secondary functions.
Smartwatches do not have a good longevity track record.
they usually follow the lifecycle of a smartphone.
One of the reasons I am buying and using g-shocks is their long life span. I do not want to replace my watches every few years.

We have this mantra going on since smartwatches entered the market.
There are different smartwatches and there are different systems. But even the most integrated ones can be used without phone. You may need phone for set up. Most of them do, due to ease of doing it via phone. What more trend of smartwatch which don't need a phone to do most of the things is major one. After all, internals become powerful enough to pull AI on the wrist without remote servers and phone.

Plus, if you think model in question somehow not a sports watch with smarts... i suggest to review it functionality and compare it to Garmin or older Suunto/Polar. I am not sure how long it will go, but Casio smartwatches have same issues with battery longevity as any other brand.

As far as secondary functions go.... phone has bigger screen. Makes sense to see let say sleep statistics with full data there, use keyboard and such. Or offload power hungry tasks to phone to prolong battery life and use far more powerful CPU.

Anyway. For each their own and some opinions don't change no matter how much actual arguments you bring.

After all, if you don't need smartwatch, you don't need it.

 

[Viper45]

A potential issue in this case is that Garmin is a proper smartwatch that depends fully on a phone, and not a mostly independent watch that needs a smartphone for some secondary functions.
Smartwatches do not have a good longevity track record.
they usually follow the lifecycle of a smartphone.
One of the reasons I am buying and using g-shocks is their long life span. I do not want to replace my watches every few years.

Wrong. The Garmin can also operate without the phone, especially the instinct and the Fenix. It only depends on the phone for the activity data and health monitoring functions.

 

[Odie]

I have the Instinct 2x Tactical and it’s a fantastic watch, I don’t use it for any health tracking. While I have the connection to my phone in place (weather), I get 73+ days on a full charge, not including any solar charging.

Casio is in no way innovative with their technology, it’s more of a rinse, wash repeat approach as they just reskin previous modules and chalk them off as new with a new case.

Garmin is a hella lot more innovative (a flashlight on a watch, brilliant) with their ideas.

 

[RB]

I have the Instinct 2x Tactical and it’s a fantastic watch, I don’t use it for any health tracking. While I have the connection to my phone in place (weather), I get 73+ days on a full charge, not including any solar charging.

Casio is in no way innovative with their technology, it’s more of a rinse, wash repeat approach as they just reskin previous modules and chalk them off as new with a new case.

Garmin is a hella lot more innovative (a flashlight on a watch, brilliant) with their ideas.

Probably an Instinct 3 in 2024....I think that will be a big progress again from Garmin!

 

[Viper45]

I have the Instinct 2x Tactical and it’s a fantastic watch, I don’t use it for any health tracking. While I have the connection to my phone in place (weather), I get 73+ days on a full charge, not including any solar charging.

Casio is in no way innovative with their technology, it’s more of a rinse, wash repeat approach as they just reskin previous modules and chalk them off as new with a new case.

Garmin is a hella lot more innovative (a flashlight on a watch, brilliant) with their ideas.

This is slowly turning into "Casio does not innovate enough" threads.

 

[M-Shock]

Bruh, this new rangman is lazier then the new "mudman"... Disappointing to me since I am a big fan of the 9400 series.

 

[Viper45]

Bruh, this new rangman is lazier then the new "mudman"... Disappointing to me since I am a big fan of the 9400 series.

I'd say its on the same level. The Mudman is a recased ProTrek while this is a recased G-Squad.

Funny thing is, the "best watch in the world" according to some, the GWG-1000/2000 Mudmaster was also a recased ProTrek but no one had a problem with that.