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#1 · (Edited)
Just looking at some Winner automatics on that great auction site we all know and love. Just wondering why they are so inexpensive? Are they any good? Are they cheap as in materials and workmanship? For the price, one could buy one to find out I guess.
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#2 ·
Ballsy name. There are hundreds of these "brands" sold on Ali-express for $10-20. Essentially $5-15 is shipping and remaining $5 is the watch. What kind of quality can one get for $5? Well that you have to judge for yourself.
 
#4 ·
Winner is one of the socalled mushroom brands. In my early collecting days, I bought several of them. 10 maybe, all different models. At least 3 of them don't work any more. They are the absolute bottom of the food chain, with a very simple movement that has has hardly any quality control at all. On the other hand, what would you expect for 20 bucks or less? I am amazed that a majority of mine are still working and keeping time when required, after 4 years. In 20/20 hindsight, I would rather have had one good Rotary watch than this slew of Winners ... But hey, wait, I got the Rotarys as well, and the Winners were a bit of fun.

So, it is the luck of the draw if you get a good one or not. Just a bit of fun. Don't wear one in situations where you might actually have to depend on it.

Since many of them are very close homages of something much more expensive, you could use them to try out if a certain style of watch is for you or not.

I think their logo is unbearably ugly. That is the worst thing about the ones that are still working ...
 
#6 ·
This was posted in an older thread by

Chascomm
Moderator, Russian Watches & Chinese Mechanical Watches Forums

"Seems like there is a consistent pattern emerging for the lowest grade of Tongji automatics. Quality on par with the $10 tongji skeleton hand-winders, but with more parts to go wrong.

So what you've found is:
- poor machining (worn tooling?)
- lack of essential finishing in out-of-sight places
- careless assembly

What others have found:
- auto-winding module incapable of doing what is required
- dirt
- lack of lubrication

Summing up, what we are seeing here is poor manufacturing of the movement compounded with the haphazard assembly that is typical of the transient brands.

The sad thing is that examples like these are a poor reflection upon the Chinese watch industry in general and this movement design in particular. In my experience, even those watch repairers who are prepared to distiguish between different Chinese products approach Tongji movements with suspicion. Give them a vintage example of the same and the difference is startling"
 
#7 ·
Here's another real Winner. At $14 delivered to my home, my expectations were not high. The auto-winder module grafted on top of the movement is too draggy to function well unless you play handball for a couple hours per day. It does hand wind though and keeps far better time than I thought it would.

 
#8 ·
I have owned three, the pictures are somewhere on this site, don't know if i've still got copies somewhere. A skeleton and a tonneau both worked fine, I sold them due to changing tastes. Still got a sub/gmt type that runs well and keeps great time. The bezel insert was flimsily fixed in place but I glued it in with UHU glue. I recently bought a tropic strap for it so it looks way better. The watch was ÂŁ10 and the strap ÂŁ11. If I ever sell the watch i'll keep that strap.
There is an old brand called Winner, maybe they bought the name?
 
#14 ·
De Ville Co-axial Chronometer? (that is neither co-axial nor chronometer)
Concept Chronograph? (that is not a chronograph )
Regatta Timer scale? (with no chrono hands)
Dive Bezel\Sub case on water-resistant (as in not water-resistant) watch
1932? (referencing what exactly).

These tread the line between fakes and homages just barely. One can at least appreciate the quality of Steinhart "homages" or acknowledge features for the money of Invicta "homages", but I see not one winning characteristic of these Wieners
 
#16 ·
When I first got it yesterday I thought it was broken. It was running when I took it out of the box but the time and date was wrong so I tried to reset it. When I pulled out the crown and rotated it clockwise nothing happened. I finally realized that at the first stop is to set the date by turning the crown counter clockwise.To set the time you have to pull out the crown to the second stop.

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It is a big watch compare to my other 2.

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#20 ·
This very moment is the first time I have ever heard about Winner watches. They seem like something that would be trumped by better options
 
#25 ·
Here is a little more information about the Winner brand that I found posted by "Always Watching" on another forum:

"Three of the most well known brand names in the world of cheap Chinese mechanicals are from one source, the Guangzhou Ruixue Watch Company Limited. The central brand, from which the company now takes its English name, is "Forsining", and the company is also responsible for the "Winner" and "Jaragar" (also spelled "Jargar") watches that appear online. The Guangzhou Ruixue Watch Company is based in Guangdong and employs something over 50 people - it has a factory in Guangzhou"
 
#28 ·
Also look at the "Sewor" brand of watches. I think you'll find that they have the same case, movements, hands and dials as the Winner just a different brand name.
 
#30 ·
"Winner" is what you get when a group of Chinese investors that speak very little English launch a watch brand. Imagine all of this in a foreign language. "What should we call our new watch brand?" "Let's call it Winner, that's a good thing right?"